|The question was asked, “are you saying that God says “whosoever will may come” but does not mean it? Because if He said “anyone who wants to can come” then did not provide for that to be possible, it is not true – they can’t come. Thus God would be lying.”
No. I am saying what God said is often misunderstood. He said, “let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.” But who wishes? Only those God has called. That’s not a lie. Just because you think God has to make it possible for someone to wish it does not make it so. Please provide scripture to support that idea.
Being told to choose does not mean you will choose any differently than God has decreed. From our perspective, we have a choice. But that is because we do not know who it is that God has hardened.
I can tell my children “Whoever chooses octopus can have it”, but that does not mean any of them will choose it – because they all hate the idea (God would have to work in them to desire it). It depends on GOD’s will, not ours. Before the twins (Jacob and Esau) were born, God chose Jacob, the second born, over Esau the first born. In fact, God said it does not depend on the man who desires or the man who runs (works for something), but it depends on God, not man. In fact, God hardens those HE desires and has mercy on those HE desires.
Esau was not allowed to repent, even though he desired to.
Anyone who repents and turns to God will be forgiven and saved (Acts 26:20). But I think some misunderstand what it means when Christ said He will draw everyone to Himself. This does not mean that God the Father draws everyone to be saved. Just because God would like something does not mean God makes it happen.
Here is something I wrote concerning the will of God: http://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/the-will-of-god/
We see that all the Father gives to Christ will come to Christ. This speaks of God drawing people so they will enter the kingdom of heaven; this does not speak of EVERYONE being given to Christ.
No one can come to Christ unless the Father enables them.
God the Father draws people to Christ for salvation, but Christ draws people for judgment.
Scripture is clear that not everyone will be saved.
So, the term ‘draw’ is used for different purposes – one to be saved, the other at the end times to be judged.
Each person is told to choose (this is the gospel message presentation, the external call). But only those God has predestined to choose will do so – in accordance with His pleasure and will (this is the internal call, the effective work of God inside people who will decide to accept what God has to offer – salvation).
Obviously, some are NOT called to be saved, or Christ would not be a stumbling block to them.
Not all are saved because some are destined to not be.
Look, a dead man can’t do anything – they dont think, breathe, walk, choose to be saved, nothing. But while we were dead in our sins, GOD did it. GOD chose us, made us alive, saved us.
GOD works in us to desire and to do His will. If God doesnt work in us, we will not desire His will.
So let’s review: 1) Our salvation depends on God, not man. 2) everyone the Father gives Christ WILL come to Christ. 3) ONLY those drawn by the Father can come to Christ. 4) Not everyone will be saved. 5) God works in those who believe to desire and work as HE wills. 6) Some are destined for destruction. 7) Some are destined for salvation. 8) Christ draws everyone to Himself to be judged.
Posted on January 16, 2013 by wbmoore