God said don’t sin and don’t be a hypocrite, but expose sin.

Someone tried to say that Romans teaches to not judge, using this part of a verse:

AT WHATEVER POINT YOU JUDGE ANOTHER you are condemning yourself, because YOU who pass judgement do the VERY SAME THINGS.”

 

So I decided to see what it really means.

Romans 2:1-3

1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?

 

This passage is not speaking against judging sin, but about not being a hypocrite. “At whatever point you judge another” says ‘WHEN you judge another’. Paul is speaking to people who were doing the very things they condemned others for doing – that is known as hypocrisy, and was spoken against by both Jesus and Paul. Jesus and Paul did not say to not call people on their sin, but to not sin and call someone on that sin. The hope is that they will change and not sin.

 

Paul is essentially saying, “Do not do the things you are not supposed to do and then complain someone else is doing those things”.

 

Romans 2:4-11

 

4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will give to each person according to what he has done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.
The problem is, we need to not sin. THEN we can help others to recognize sin in their lives, as we are told to do.

Mt 7:5

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

 

People someitmes want to hold on to their sin. But Jesus and the apostles were clear we must not sin and must call people on their sin.

 

Luke 17:3

So watch yourselves. If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.

 

1 Timothy 5:20

Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning

 

2 Timothy 4:2

Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction

 

Titus 2:15

These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

 

Ephesians 5:11

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

 

1 Corinthians 5:11

But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

 

Jude 1:3-4

3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. 4 For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

 

Revelation 3:19

Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent.

  

But Jesus WILL return to judge.

Matthew 12:36

But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.

 

John 5:22

Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,

 

Acts 10:42

He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.

 

Acts 17:31

For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.

 

Acts 24:25

As Paul discoursed on righteousness, self-control and the judgment to come, Felix was afraid and said, “That’s enough for now! You may leave. When I find it convenient, I will send for you.”

 

Romans 2:5

But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

 

Hebrews 9:27

Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

 

1 Peter 4:5

But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.

 

1 Peter 4:17

For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

 

Revelation 20:12-13

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.

 

God wants us to change, turn to Him through faith in Jesus Christ, and not sin.

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59 Responses

  1. This is very true but i am very confused cause you see jesus harshly when the bible tells us to be kind and not ill mannered and to treat one another as you would want to be treated but i don’t think anyone would want to be called a hypocrite a fool and blind guides and serpents and brood of vipers and 1 Corinthians 5:11 to not even eat with sinners yet jesus ate with sinners on multiple occasions can you please explain this to me all the questions above cause i thought jesus was perfect im doubting his divinity i need help !

    • I dont see Jesus harshly. I see Jesus as loving, holy, righteous, forgiving, and in the end, as our Savior or Judge.

      The Bible tells us to love God and love others. The thing is, we dont necessarily know what love is.
      Mark 12:29-31

      29 Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; 30 and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

      Often, we think that love is giving people what they want. But sometimes if we give them what they want, it will hurt them, so that is not loving, but just the opposite in those cases.

      In fact, Love for God is obedience.
      1 John 5:3

      This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome

      So God does not like it when people make it hard to love Him and model that love through obedience.

      This is why Jesus said,
      Matthew 18:5-7

      5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6 But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

      7 “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!

      Being Holy and Righteous, one thing Jesus really had a problem with was people being hypocrites (Matthew 22:18). Jesus called people out when they were being hypocritical (Matthew 6:2-5). This was because they would be malicious and would teach one thing to the people and do something else. They made it hard for people to follow God. They made it hard for people to love God, to obey God.

      Matthew 23 explains the problem well. Jesus told the people to do as the Pharisees taught, but dont follow their example. Why? Because they were hypocrites – they said one thing and did something else. And they did things so people would think well of them, and not out of love for God or others.

      They prevented people from entering the kingdom of heaven. In fact, sometimes they would get someone to follow them and would make them worse off than they had been before.

      1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; 3 therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them. 4 They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger. 5 But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. 6 They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called Rabbi by men. 8 But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. 11 But the greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.

      13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14 [Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation.]

      15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

      16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple, that is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple is obligated.’ 17 You fools and blind men! Which is more important, the gold or the temple that sanctified the gold? 18 And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, that is nothing, but whoever swears by the offering on it, he is obligated.’ 19 You blind men, which is more important, the offering, or the altar that sanctifies the offering? 20 Therefore, whoever swears by the altar, swears both by the altar and by everything on it. 21 And whoever swears by the temple, swears both by the temple and by Him who dwells within it. 22 And whoever swears by heaven, swears both by the throne of God and by Him who sits upon it.

      23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. 24 You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

      25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also.

      27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28 So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

      29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, ‘If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers. 33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?

      34 “Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, 35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

      37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38 Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! 39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’”

      The Bible teaches we are to kind and gentle and so much more. Galatians 5:16-6:2

      16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

      25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.

      1 Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.

      But the Bible ALSO teaches to protect the church, and if someone will not give up their sin, to remove the protection of the church from them and let Satan deal with them for a while in the hopes that they will return to God and confess their sin and change (repent).

      1 Corinthians 5:5

      5 I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

      In 1 Corinthians 5, Paul is addressing a grievous sin in the life of someone who claims to love God. Yet this person is sinning in something so immoral that not even pagans do that – a man having sex with his father’s wife. So Paul is addressing something serious in the church. He said that we are to not have anything to do with people who claim to have faith in Christ, but who are actively sinning.

      1 Corinthians 5:11-13

      11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.

      But once that person has repented, changed, returned to God and confessed their sin, then the church is to welcome them back. This is what happened to the man who was kicked out of the church in 1 Corinthins 5, as we see in 2 Corinthians 2:1-11.

      But I determined this for my own sake, that I would not come to you in sorrow again. 2 For if I cause you sorrow, who then makes me glad but the one whom I made sorrowful? 3 This is the very thing I wrote you, so that when I came, I would not have sorrow from those who ought to make me rejoice; having confidence in you all that my joy would be the joy of you all. 4 For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote to you with many tears; not so that you would be made sorrowful, but that you might know the love which I have especially for you.

      5 But if any has caused sorrow, he has caused sorrow not to me, but in some degree—in order not to say too much—to all of you. 6 Sufficient for such a one is this punishment which was inflicted by the majority, 7 so that on the contrary you should rather forgive and comfort him, otherwise such a one might be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8 Wherefore I urge you to reaffirm your love for him. 9 For to this end also I wrote, so that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things. 10 But one whom you forgive anything, I forgive also; for indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes in the presence of Christ, 11 so that no advantage would be taken of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes.

      When we are looking at the person’s eternal soul and its destiny, it is not kind nor loving to allow someone to ignore, disobey, disrespect God. Because that shows either a lack of faith or a lack of training. Either way, it has to be addressed. If we do not correct our children, then we do not love them. but children are disciplined by their parents.
      Proverbs 13:24

      He who withholds his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.

      In the same way, we are disciplined by God.

      Hebrews 12:3-8

      3 For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

      4 You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin; 5 and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons,

      “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
      Nor faint when you are reproved by Him;
      6 For those whom the Lord loves He disciplines,
      And He scourges every son whom He receives.”
      7 It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

      Jesus is indeed perfect. He was and is called God.
      Matthew 1:23

      “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which translated means, “God with us.”

      He is the Son of God.
      Matthew 8:29

      And they cried out, saying, “What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”

      The Son of God, Jesus, was with God in the beginning and created everything.
      John 1:1-3

      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

      He was sent by God the Father so that those who believed in Him could become children of God.
      John 1:10-14

      10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

      14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

      He ate with sinners because he came for sinners. He has no problem with people who have done things they shouldnt – so long as they have faith in him, change, and turn to God from their sin. But the key is faith.

      Mark 2:15-17

      15 And it *happened that He was reclining at the table in his house, and many tax collectors and sinners were dining with Jesus and His disciples; for there were many of them, and they were following Him. 16 When the scribes of the Pharisees saw that He was eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they said to His disciples, “Why is He eating and drinking with tax collectors and sinners?” 17 And hearing this, Jesus *said to them, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

      Matthew 4:17

      From that time Jesus began to preach and say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

      And when someone sins, we should forgive them 0 no matter how many times they do it.

      2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he would cause one of these little ones to stumble. 3 Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ forgive him.”

      Hope that helps! Ask m more questions if you need further clarification.

  2. Thank you thats the only one that makes sense but just some more questions when he said the seven woes was he angry did he yell it at them or say it peacefully, did he ever yell, and when we are sinned against do we say something in our defeanse or is that only when he picks other people, and when is it okay for me to call people fools hypocrites blind guides snakes ect, and is it a sin to intimidate like jesus did in the temple with a whip, can you answer these please if u can i will be at peace with god once more and have a new out look on god and what it means to be a christian :D

    • Scripture doesnt tell us the tone of voice Jesus used when he spoke the woes.

      While scripture does not tell us whether Jesus yelled at people, I’d guess its likely he did so when he chased the money changers out of the temple. The Jewish religious leaders had made a business out of selling animals at the temple to people who had come to sacrifice but who did not have animals to do so or who were told by the priests that the animals they brought were not up to the quality needed for sacrifice. It was again an example of making it hard for people to trust in God and show their love for God through obeying God.

      In this case, Jesus made a whip and chased out the animals being sold and over turned tables and scattered the money changers. This is recorded in John 2:13-22, Mark 11L15-18, and Matthew 21:12-13. This is what is said in Mark 11:15-18

      15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, 16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. 17 And as he taught them, he said, “Is it not written:

      “‘My house will be called
      a house of prayer for all nations’?
      But you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’”

      18 The chief priests and the teachers of the law heard this and began looking for a way to kill him, for they feared him, because the whole crowd was amazed at his teaching.

      When someone sins against us, we are to tell the person who sins against us that they have done so. IF they repent, then great! If not, then we should still forgive them, so we will be forgiven.

      5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

      9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

      “‘Our Father in heaven,
      hallowed be your name,
      10 your kingdom come,
      your will be done
      on earth as it is in heaven.
      11 Give us today our daily bread.
      12 Forgive us our debts,
      as we also have forgiven our debtors.
      13 And lead us not into temptation,
      but deliver us from the evil one.’
      14 For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

      We should not get even, but we should overcome evil with good – give food and drink our enemies. Scripture says that is like heaping burning coals upon their heads.
      Romans 12:9-20

      9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in brotherly love; give preference to one another in honor; 11 not lagging behind in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; 12 rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer, 13 contributing to the needs of the saints, practicing hospitality.

      14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. 16 Be of the same mind toward one another; do not be haughty in mind, but associate with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own estimation. 17 Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all men. 18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. 19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 “But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

      Christ was defending his Father’s Temple and tried to prevent people from preventing others coming to trust God. He was perfect. He never sinned. Yet, people who are not Christ have difficulty with sin. It may be possible to be angry without sinning, but its hard. I think its something we should avoid. So While CHRIST could do those things without sinning, I think it is very unlikely for anyone today to be able to act in those ways and not sin.

      Your peace with God does not come from you. It comes from God. I pray he open your heart and mind to be able to love Him and others in practical ways.

  3. Thanks mate I’m from Australia and I’m a catholic and i know that jesus is perfect but its just that the jesus i pictured before i read the bible was different i mean when i read the bible he had some teachings more wise than i could have ever imagined but he was also harsher at times but i think the reason for that was cause of the bible translation i read, thanks good news bible lol, he was a totally different person that for his actions in this version you even see him as loving when he cleansed the temple and how he spoke compassionately to the dove sellers and the Pharisees and scribes, it shows his emotions more clearly and who he really was, and it is so intact with the original scripture more than any other i have ever read its called the

    NEW KING JAMES VERSION (NKJV) and it is amazing you have got to read it mate ! :D it is 100 percent like the King James version, just instead of thou they say you and instead of thy they say me you have got read it, it will make your faith 100 times stronger !, and just one more thing i noticed that he only called people fools hypocrites ect. when he addressed a group he never said to one person you hypocrite you fool only to large groups was that because he wanted to attack the group not the individuals, am i aloud to be angry with groups and organisations but not just individuals? after this last question is answered i wont annoy you any more lol :D god bless mate ;)

    • :) I like reading the NKJV, the NIV 1984, and the NASB 1995. These are all good translations.

      You’re quite welcome. I think you will find that our understanding of God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and what God has done for us, will do for us, wants from us and for us will change a great deal when you actually read what the Bible says.

      As for being angry… Ephesians 4 tells us something of how we should live – worthy of the calling we have received – humble, gentle, patient, bearing with one another in love.

      1 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.

      We are to mature in Christ – growing in our knowledge of Christ and letting Christ fill us – so we will no longer be tossed about by what ever anyone teaches, by people’s cunning and craftiness and deceitfulness.

      13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

      14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

      We are not to give ourselves over to sensuality, not to indulge ourselves, so we will not be separated from eternal life (with God). Otherwise people get hardened in their hearts, with no sensitivity, and indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more.

      17 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. 18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. 19 Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more.

      We WILL be angry. But you must not sin in your anger. Scripture does not say to not be angry with individuals or with groups. Instead, we must not sin when we are angry and we must not nurse our anger. WE must get rid of it.

      22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

      25 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body. 26 “In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. 28 He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need.

      29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

      With regards to love… scripture tells us love is obedience to God.
      2 John 1:6

      And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.

      It also tells us in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7

      4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

      Our love must be true – it must be rejoicing in truth, protecting, trusting, hoping, and persevering.

      We have to remember that God leads us to repent (change). If we do not change, we will face God’s wrath when we are judged. We must not do evil, but good.

      Romans 2:5-11

      4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance?

      5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will give to each person according to what he has done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

  4. Oh, and feel free to ask any questions. I’ll try to answer.

  5. thx you’ve answered a lot and it’s helping me threw and i am getting better, so your basically saying the only time christ got angry was when he cleansed the temple for a good reason, so your saying that christ was never rude, or am i still not clear on what i think, its just that this is we should always tell the truth even if it comes of as harsh, because thats not rude thats just honesty, and i never use to think christ use to tell it how it was and that peoples ways were bad in such a way, but that doesn’t really make sense cause truth shouldn’t be sugar coated, lots got to be plain and simple even if its kind or offensive but if you tell it how it is not because your angry seeking revenge or proving a point its only if you do it out of love, kindness and paisence, not malice and wrath and if jesus ever did speak harshly he only did out of zeal rather than wrath or malice cause he loves he’s children so much, and he was fighting sin so hardly that he willing died for it, he condemn sin and didn’t ignore it like unfortunately we’ve been led to believe from television believers i will no longer sugar coat the truth there are nicer ways of telling it, but sometimes you’ve just got to tell it how it is, like when a drug person comes to school or something and teaches you about the harmfulness of drugs you don’t expect him to just avoid all the true and scary parts, no. you expect him to tell you about brain damage that comes from it and all the other negative things, from now on as the scripture says, the word is your sword, but how can you fight probably with the sword if you never take it out of its sheaf, the truth is jesus loves the most evil and wicked people rather it be even hitler or satan- but that doesn’t mean he wont do every think in his infinite wisdom and power to stop what they stand for, tell me if im in error with any thing i just said please so i can continue to move forward :) thx mate :D

    • No. I’m not saying the only time Christ was angry was when he was cleansing the temple. I am saying Christ got angry when people prevented people from trusting and obeying God.

      Christ did nothing out of malice.

      I am not saying to not sugar coat the truth either. There are ways to tell the truth that kind, and ways to tell the truth that are mean. I think we should always be kind and patient and loving and gentle. But sometimes people will not hear the truth in any way other than bluntly. We can be blunt without being mean. Our goal should never be to get even or revenge or to hurt someone.

      2 Peter 1:5-8

      5 Now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in your moral excellence, knowledge, 6 and in your knowledge, self-control, and in your self-control, perseverance, and in your perseverance, godliness, 7 and in your godliness, brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, love. 8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

      1 Peter 3:1-9

      1 In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, 2 as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior. 3 Your adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; 4 but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. 5 For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands; 6 just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.

      7 You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered.

      8 To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; 9 not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing.

      Titus 2:2-8

      2 Older men are to be temperate, dignified, sensible, sound in faith, in love, in perseverance.

      3 Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, 4 so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored.

      6 Likewise urge the young men to be sensible; 7 in all things show yourself to be an example of good deeds, with purity in doctrine, dignified, 8 sound in speech which is beyond reproach, so that the opponent will be put to shame, having nothing bad to say about us.

      Colossians 3:12-13

      12 So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.

      Ephesians 4:25-32

      25 Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth each one of you with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. 26 Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and do not give the devil an opportunity. 28 He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. 29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. 30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. 32 Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

      Galatias 5:16-26

      6 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

      25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.

      1 Corinthians 13:4-4

      4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

      In fact, God says we should be gentle when we correct someone, so maybe God will grant them repentance leading to salvation.

      2 Timothy 2:22-26

      22 Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. 23 But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels. 24 The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

      Our goal should be to guide someone to trust Christ.

      There was a woman who was caught in sexual sin by a bunch of men. Christ wrote something on the ground that the men could read, but that we will never know and when he asked who would cast the first stone (for the penalty for adultery was death), they ran away. Christ said he would not condemn the woman either, but she should go and sin no more. He wasn’t harsh. He wasn’t rude. He was real – he recognized the woman’s sin, and her pain. He was kind rather than condemning, but he still encouraged her to live rightly instead of in sin.

      Acts 8:1-11

      But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them. 3 The scribes and the Pharisees *brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, 4 they *said to Him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?” 6 They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. 7 But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. 10 Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”

      God IS love.
      1 John 4:8

      The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

      The problem is, we are all sinners.
      Romans 3:23

      23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

      Because of that, we deserve death – we earn death by our sin.
      Romans 6:23

      23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

      BUT…. God has provided a remedy.

      God loves the world so much He sent His only Son to suffer and die as a man on the cross to pay the price of our sins so that those who believe could have eternal life.
      John 3:16-18

      16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

      The remedy is to believe in Christ to the point where THAT faith changes you. All you have to do is believe that God raised Jesus from the dead, and you will be saved.
      Romans 10:9

      9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

      This salvation and faith do not come from us, but from God.
      Ephesians 2:8

      For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God

      There has to evidence of that faith – through your life, confession that Christ is Lord, baptism, good deeds, in short, a changed life gives evidence of the faith that saves us.
      Acts 26:20

      20 but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.

      Ephesians 2:10

      For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them

  6. im sorry but i have had won of the worst degrees of experiences with my faith today i have ever had, you see the resion i have realised I’m so obsessive with this particular thing is because i’m disappointed i feel christ has let me down horribly my perfect god i imagined was instead of cleansing the temple physically with yelling and whipping people, but instead with just a short speech witch would have made them overturn there own tables like for instance, let he that is without sin cast the first stone, and they all dropped there stones, thats what i classify as perfect god and loving, and a god that never got angry, cause he had to much compassion and love and was more focused on there souls, and i know what you said was true that giving love isn’t giving people what they want but the god i thought he was, could have saved them and spared there feelings, and now i relies it’s just I’m horribly let down and sad, because all my life ive been abused and when i watched passion of the christ and i saw how perfect he was i was amazed that someone out there would always be kind helping me and spearing my feelings but from the first thing i read in the bible genesis when he cursed the world i was horribly destroyed and my faith has never been the same since, I’ve been hurt and offended because what i have read is just unpleasant i mean 90 % of the time he was that person i thought he was but that other ten percent has ruended the rest for me, i am that close to becoming an athiest and i don’t know why my god would have put all these beautiful thoughts in my head of who he was, then let my heart sink, i still agknoledge, he was awesome and kind, but its just know where near what i thought he was, i mean if he is so great why am i so let down, and ive been crying my mum gets angry at me to stop thinking about it, i mean i just guess nothing in life, is as great as you think it is, i mean alot of the things he said is true, and ive been putting them to work, and i’ve been better person. but i have no love in my heart anymore, and i remember one time my teacher called me a snake, and i was hurt even maybe thoe i deserved it i was hurt, and the first think i said in my brain was christ forgive her, but he called people snakes to, and he’s great, but is he what i thought he was, not a chance, and you’ve been very friendly and kind, through this but i just cant get past this horribleness, and ive asked him so many times for help, but he has given me none. and im sad but if i cant get an answer that will solve all my problems i just spoke of i think i’ll stop believing in him and my soul will go to hell, and i think even thou the reason he got angry was fair, but if christ was infinitely great he could have solved the problem in a kind and loving way, not calling people hypocrites, fools, serpents, brood of vipers, white washed tombs, this just seems more human than Devine, cause he caused the Pharisees to be offended, and he didn’t seem to care, i know would but i didn’t think he would. help me please and thank you. because how is it fair, i mean that not my own lack of faith or wicked ness but his personality that has made me not believe in him as perfect and yet i will go to hell because of it please buddy give me advice before, i become an atheist. i mean you said that christ told us to be patient but he said, O unbelieving and perverse generation, how long shall i stay with you, how long shall i bear with you ? i mean i called my brother a hypocrite nicely cause jesus did, and he was being a hypocrite and he still got offended, and i turn the other cheek more than most people you’ll meet i do nothing out of malice i just want to be like jesus as much as i can so i can help people thats why i want to know when to call someone a hypocrite, snake, fool, blind like he did cause he’s the ultimate role modle, but i know calling someone a snake is really hurtful and i hate name calling, please be patient with me I’m just so confused ! i don’t want to lose my soul !

  7. cause when i was faced with people like the scribes and Pharisees, who are hypercritical and foolish, i use to say what would jesus do but know i don’t know !

  8. and let me get this straight friend, i never expected christ to not speak of hypocrisy or foolishness, but instead of saying You Hypocrite ! he would have said friend don’t be hypocritical or O hypercritical one, cause thats attacking the sin not the person, and instead of saying you fool ! he could of said don’t be foolish friends, or O lost one how can you ever find wisdom if you cant find truth, (even thoe thats probably me) thats a kind way of condemning sin witch were told to do, but the seven woes seems like he is condemning the people to i mean that would have been better in my opinion :(

  9. i mean watch this and tell me this is not rude

  10. Harrison,

    You are disappointed because you have a misunderstanding of who God is. He is not some mamby pamby imaginary friend whose job is to make you feel good. You have to understand that God is not some genie you can put in a bottle and pull out to make you feel good or to do what you when when you want it. That may not be how you think of him, and it may not be how you treat him, but it is how most people I have known think of God and treat God.

    Jesus called people fools because they despise wisdom and instruction. This is what God calls a fool:
    Proverbs 1:7

    The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction.

    Proverbs 12:15

    The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But a wise man is he who listens to counsel.

    Psalm 53:1

    The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God,” They are corrupt, and have committed abominable injustice; There is no one who does good.

    Don’t be a fool. Dont say there is no God.

    God IS love – not what you or I might call love, but what GOD calls love. But He is so much more than simply love.

    God is RIghteous. This means He does not sin.
    God is just. This means so much more than simply fair. It means he must punish sin.
    God is Holy. This means He is separate, for godly purposes (but it also is difficult to describe). This is a good attempt at describing that: http://www.gotquestions.org/holy-holy-holy.html

    God hates sin. He must punish sin. We sin. What are the implications? He must punish our sin. But the fact is, God has provided a way out for us. God has provided a savior. All we need do is believe God and trust Christ and we will be saved. The trusting Christ means to repent (change) and turn to God through faith in Christ and have a life that shows we trust Him.

    So many times we try to follow a set of rules without having Christ in us, and we will fail if we do that, eventually. Then we beat ourselves up, or others do it for us.

    BUT, with the power of GOD, all things are possible. We can turn to God and trust God – even when it seems all things have gone wrong and even when it is hard, and even when it is painful or scary.

    Yes, I suppose God could have worked things out so everyone would believe and no one would be hurt or killed. But people have their own choices to make, and God has His. God uses our choices to make His purpose and plan come about. God does not want robots, he wants people who love Him and trust Him.

    Because we have choices to make and we do not live in a vacuum, but with other people, we are affecting others. Our choices affect others. So someone who wants to get drunk or high can cause pain to those he encounters. This can cause people to be abused. This in turn can cause others to be abused.

    We have to recall that GOD heals and breaks the cycle of abuse. GOD changes people’s hearts and lives.

    Can you turn your life over to God? Are you ready? GOD is waiting and calling you to trust Him.

    The best thing I can do is tell you to trust Christ and turn away from sin and to God through faith in Christ and have a life that proves it.

    You can not trust what you do not know. So I pray what Paul prayed in Ephesians – that you would be granted strength from God with God’s power so Christ may dwell in your heart through faith, that you will be rooted and grounded in love and able to comprehend everything that makes up God’ love, and that you will know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, and that you may be filled to over flowing with what is God. God can do so much more than you and I can imagine and ask for, and I pray HE bless you with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.

    Ephesians 1:3

    Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ

    Ephesians 3:16-21

    16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God.

    20 Now to Him who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us, 21 to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen.

  11. I think Psalm 5 is useful in this discussion, to let usknow something about what God does and who God is.

    Psalm 5

    A Prayer for Guidance

    To the Chief Musician. With flutes. A Psalm of David.

    1 Give ear to my words, O Lord,
    Consider my meditation.
    2 Give heed to the voice of my cry,
    My King and my God,
    For to You I will pray.
    3 My voice You shall hear in the morning, O Lord;
    In the morning I will direct it to You,
    And I will look up.
    4 For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness,
    Nor shall evil dwell with You.
    5 The boastful shall not stand in Your sight;
    You hate all workers of iniquity.
    6 You shall destroy those who speak falsehood;
    The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.
    7 But as for me, I will come into Your house in the multitude of Your mercy;
    In fear of You I will worship toward Your holy temple.
    8 Lead me, O Lord, in Your righteousness because of my enemies;
    Make Your way straight before my face.
    9 For there is no faithfulness in their mouth;
    Their inward part is destruction;
    Their throat is an open tomb;
    They flatter with their tongue.
    10 Pronounce them guilty, O God!
    Let them fall by their own counsels;
    Cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions,
    For they have rebelled against You.
    11 But let all those rejoice who put their trust in You;
    Let them ever shout for joy, because You defend them;
    Let those also who love Your name
    Be joyful in You.
    12 For You, O Lord, will bless the righteous;
    With favor You will surround him as with a shield.

  12. do you think if i heard the things he said like the 7 woes i would find it loving righteous, truthful, kind, or offensive, but the thing is your right when i read the scripture of matthew 23 i dont actually find the words wrong but true loving and to and extent kind, but i’ve figured out it hasn’t been the woes i just haven’t felt he’s presence for months and i think i blamed it on the woes and him because it seems to make more sense but i just can’t feel his love, he’s righteousness, or anything i have found out he’s not at fault it’s just that im, reading everyday, but im no longer learning, i go to church but i am know longer moved bye the words spoken i believe in him but i have no love in my heart i feel hard and cold, i love god but i seem to be in a spiritual fight with him and i feel empty, and like the it is written in the 1 corinthians 13:1-13 nkjv

    13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.

    4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

    8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

    11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

    13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

    if i can’t find love i will never find peace, and if i can’t find peace i will lose faith and struggle with god my whole life like Isaac did, but god gave him his blessing after there wrestling match and he was free, but wheres my blessing where can i feel love for god like i use to have ? well i still love him the same as i always have but i am confused and i can no longer feel his love for me and others and my faith is getting weaker, and my love for life as well, what do i do, have you ever experienced the same thing im going, threw, and if so what did you do, i mean i’ve had problems but gods love always got me threw, but i can’t find it ! please what do i do ?

    • The only way to true peace is through faith in Christ.

      The only way to feel God’s presence is to walk away from sin. Read 1 John. I think you will find that if you claim to have fellowship with God and walk a life of sin, then you aren’t telling the truth.

      We must confess our sins to God and let the blood of Christ cleanse us. This is not just telling God what you have done, but agreeing with God that it is sin, agreeing that you messed up big time, hating the sin….

      To know when to use harsh words, you must have the mind of God. I submit that you dont, so you shouldnt.

      To know how much Jesus loves you, you must read the book of John. He left heaven, lived as a human, suffered and died to pay the price of your sins – how much more COULD someone love you?

      • Trust God to save you through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. We must turn from our efforts to please God to CHRIST’s finished work. If our conversion is real, our lives will show it.

  13. look i understand what your saying and your very right, the woes in them selfs are very write and a work of art if you will,and now that ive looked in to the teachings, but i cant beleve my god the rabi of piece even if its not a sin would go as low as we can be and call some one a serpent, my friend that just wasn’t needed in the woes, and it seems more derogatory, more than wise, like generation of vipers thats beautiful word play, and not offensive cause its pointing at the people that are slaves to sin in this world, but just calling some one a serpent, and brood of vipers, when it’s not even in context is what i thought was below him, and i know jesus didn’t come to make people feel good, and some times the truth never does, but calling people derogatory names for any reason is wrong, and that is what makes me upset, if you can explain when it is ok for us to use colourful speaking in a righteous way, like he did threw out the woes, than i will be cured :D, but i know that if i said that tomorrow to anyone, they’d think thats unchristian even if it’s for a good reason, and i would think it would be to i mean jesus is the only christian i’ve ever heard say that, and in my school that teaches about the bible, i never heard that we should use derogatory slurs to people in any way, and i’m all for rebuking as it is said do it in a loving and kind way,but the 7 woes are in know way an example of that, and if I’m mistaken explain to me please. thx mate :D

    and just one thing i want to know how much does jesus love me ?

  14. i try not to sin but since I’m having trouble with god, my anger and malice builds up inside and it just comes out i use to have no problem with christ i just excepted that he was without sin and true, but lately i only see him as bad, why ?

    • Obviously I do not know you nor what you are facing. But I think anger towards God comes from one of two places: either we have unrealistic expecations of God (like God should have provented something from occurring, or should have made something occur) or we are are wanting to sin and feel like God should allow us to.

      Both of those stem from not understanding who God is and that God gets to set the rules, and that we are incapable of meeting them perfectly (Romans 3:23, 6:23), but that GOD has provided a remedy in that He gives us faith to trust Christ as our Savior and Lord (Romans 10:9-13).

      Everyone I have known who sees God as bad is in rebellion to God and doing things or wanting to do things thate are not of God. They usually end up living pain filled lives until they surrender to Christ.

      People feel like God shoiuld do it their way. But we are like clay and God is a potter. Which clay gets to tell the potter what to do or how? Isaiah 45, Jeremiah 18, Romans 9.

      It may be that you have reached an age where you are trying to decide what is right and wrong for yourself. The world seems attractive, but much of what is attractive in th world is against what GOD has said. This causes us to have problems. It does not sound like you are atheist, but that you simply want God to do what you want Him to do the way you think GOd should do it and let you do what you want to do. It may be you hve been deeply hurt by someone and think God should have prevented it.

      Somehow, we are responsible for our actions, and those actions affect others. This is true for others – their words and actions affect us too. We get hurt and we think God should have proteced us. But God makes His creatures the way He makes them. Sometimes they are born blind, and He heals them for HIS glory (John 9). Sometimes they are born lame and He heals them (Acts 14:8-10). But sometimes God does not choose to heal some (Luke 4:14-30 see https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/god-chooses/ ), for HIS purposes.

      Christ loves you. He died for your sins. All you have to do is not fight against Him, but accept Him as Lord and Savior. With faith, God will work in you to defeat temptation.

  15. it doesn’t seem like that either maybe to a small extent like i thought i could get away with a little bit more, but i just feel unloved, does jesus hate or dislike anyone like the pharrasees murderers or pedofiles or gays cause there are alot of chritains are confusing me i guess what I’m asking is does god love every person thats ever lived ?

    • God sent Jesus to pay the price of sins, that who ever believes in Him can have eternal life.
      God doesn’t make distinctions between people.
      Acts 15:9

      and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

      Romans 3:22
      even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

      Romans 10:12
      For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;

      Colossians 3:5-17

      5 Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry. 6 For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience, 7 and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them. 8 But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices, 10 and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him— 11 a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.

      12 So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you. 14 Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity. 15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body; and be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. 17 Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.

      But God DOES hate sin.
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/god-hates-sin/

      God hates those who choose sin over Him. Yet, God also loves them. He wants us to trust him.
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/does-god-hate-people/

      And not all sins are the same:
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/are-all-sins-the-same/

      God chose the poor and humble and sinners. He did not come for the righteous, but for sinners.
      Matthew 9:13

      But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire compassion, and not sacrifice,’ for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

      James 2:3-5

      3 and you pay special attention to the one who is wearing the fine clothes, and say, “You sit here in a good place,” and you say to the poor man, “You stand over there, or sit down by my footstool,” 4 have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil motives? 5 Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?

      Yes, God loves you enough to have sent His Son o suffer and die for your sins. But anyone who reject Christ has the wrath of God still on him.
      John 3:16-21

      16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”

  16. how do i accept christ as he really is ?

    • How do you accept your friend or your cousin or your aunt or your mother? You take what you know of them and it is ok. As you learn more about them, you adjust.

      God is HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, and JUST. He MUST punish sin. He is also LOVE, merciful, gracious, kind, longer suffering, patient. God has provided a way to have people with Him – He sent Jesus to suffer and die for their sins. Anyone who accepts what God has done and turns to God by God’s grace through faith in Christ has the wrath of God turned away from them and so is saved from the eternal consequences of their own sin.

      You simply accept that what you WANT God to look like is not what God looks like. God is not all nice and safe and gentle. I mean He IS those things, but He’s dangerous, powerful, and interesting also. God has destroyed nations, tribes, clans, families, people, individuals. He has wiped out whole nations off the face of the earth. He destroyed the world with a world wide flood and repopulated it with the family of one righteous man.

      HE has also saved individuals, and rebuilt tribes, clans, and nations.

      God knit you together in your mother’s womb. God knew you before time began. God loved you before you were born. But God does not love your sin. God hates your sin. God will punish your sin. Do parents punish children’s rebellion? Of course they do. God is our heavenly Father and will punish your sin unless you accept what God has done for you.

      You accept by not rebelling. You accept by realizing you cant do the right thing on your own. You accept by realizing you need GOD. You accept by realizing that hell is real, the lake of fire is real, and those who do NOT accept Christ as Lord and Savior have a ticket there and will be judged and go there.

      You accept by surrendering your heart and life and soul to God, instead of trying to run it yourself.

  17. your right it is the way :D i’ve finally figured it out and christ didn’t necessarily act rudely or meanly when he said the woes, he spoke boldly, i mean he was warning them they were going to go to hell, and if you search up the translation for serpent it means satin referring to (genisis) witch calling someone serpent back then might have been a nicer way of calling someone a demon keeping in mind that they new what that word meant better than we did. thankyou you saved me from hell chrsit bless you threw the rest of your physical life. :D i hope to speak again someday :D thx mate

    • I pray you come to live for Christ in every way and that you are not satisfied with an idea of who God is, but you seek an ever deepening relationship with God through faith in Christ.

  18. Hey buddy I’m doing better now and as I’m reading more than just the book of Matthew my heart is being warmed and I’m slowly getting more faith and better faith in God threw christ and in Christ threw god but I just want to ask a question, remember the bible says, to be honest, but also to treat others as you would want to be treated, but also to rebuke. But it seems some times that these things contradict each other, cause say that your at a party and you meet your friend who is really sensitive, and just got a horrible haircut, and he asks you how it looks, and being honest you say that it’s not that attractive, witch violates the treat one another as you would want to be treated commandment, and then your sensitive friend sins against you out of malice, and you know that if you we’re that upset you wouldn’t want to be rebuked, but the bible says that if you don’t correct error your partly responsible for that persons sin, so you rebuke your friend, witch then violates, the treat others as you would want to be treated commandment, so that means no matter what you do in a situation, like that you would break one of the commandments jesus gave can you help me understand this ? Thx mate :D

    • This sounds like the same bit of arguments that someone who is not saved will ask to try to find reasons to not follow Christ, to try to show that scripture contradicts itself.

      But even so, lets look at what you presented….

      Sometimes, its better to be quiet than say anything. But if one must say something, then be thoughtful. Scripture tells us that the heart should direct the mouth – instead of being mean and harsh and condemning, there are ways to be gentle and take the sting out of the truth.

      Proverbs 16:23

      The heart of the wise instructs his mouth And adds persuasiveness to his lips.

      Proverbs 17:28

      Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise; When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.

      If you would rather someone lie to you than tell you the truth, then you don’t have the Holy Spirit and need to be saved. I say this because scripture makes it clear that God hates lying.
      Proverbs 6:16-19

      16 There are six things which the Lord hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
      17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood,
      18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil,
      19 A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers.

      If you would rather someone tell you the truth, then there is no violation of the command to treat others as you would have them treat you. A true friend always tells the truth in love and in a way it can be heard. There are ways to tell the truth that are painful and ways to tell the truth that stir anger and ways to tell the truth that make one receive it without anger or pain. Just because one has to be truthful does not mean one can not be kind and loving and gentle and tactful while doing it.

      If your friend purposefully hurts you to get even (out of malice), then he’s very likely not your friend. But whether he is or not, its evident he is not wise. The wise keep their temper in check.
      Proverbs 29:11

      A fool always loses his temper, But a wise man holds it back.

      And its very likely that he is not saved. So you need to share the truth of God and Christ with him, so he will not die in his sins and go to hell. But you also need to overlook his sin and forgive him.
      Proverbs 19:11

      A man’s discretion makes him slow to anger, And it is his glory to overlook a transgression.

      If you forgive him, then the manner in which you rebuke will be one of gentleness and love rather than pain and anger. In which case, its likely the rebuke will be taken as intended (you are more likely to catch flies with a little bit of honey than a bit of salt), and so will likely be gently received. If you don’t forgive, then it is likely any rebuke will be take as if you being hurt and trying to get even, and so will be poorly received.

      Proverbs 12:1

      Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is stupid.

      Proverbs 13:18

      He who ignores discipline comes to poverty and shame, but whoever heeds correction is honored.

      Proverbs 15:12

      A mocker resents correction; he will not consult the wise.

      Proverbs 15:32

      He who ignores discipline despises himself, but whoever heeds correction gains understanding.

      The wise desire correction. If you were saved, then you WOULD want a friend to come to you and let you know that you had hurt them – because you love him as a friend and dont want to hurt him.

      So you see, there is not really any contradiction, if you love God. If you do not, then none of it makes any sense any way.

  19. When do we speak the truth boldly like Paul Jesus and John the Baptist, I mean I know every time jesus rebuked someone, no matter how harsh it may Be, cause the bible said god rebukes and punishes everyone, he loves so he loved the pharrisees according to how he rebuked them in the 7 woes jesus is always right but if someone I love is be rude and ignorant and are not listening to kindness is it okay to call them a rat if its not out of anger, or a pig or a hypocrite or even a demon ? Like Paul Jesus and john the babysit did that’s the only question, I have for now. :D thx

    • The Bible does not say God rebukes and punishes everyone. God calls everyone to repent and turn to God through faith in Christ. Those who do are freed from the penalty of their sins. Those who do not will suffer the second death.

      Before you have to worry about speaking the truth boldly, or rebuking anyone, you have to trust Christ as your Lord and Savior and you have to get your life right with God. Get the plank out our your own eye before worrying about the speck in anyone else’s eye.

  20. thankyou thats one of my favorate quotes !, but you see i dont sin as often as others its just that ive always been one too seek things and as jesus said ask seek knock, and thats what im doing so are you saying that jesus was kind to every one all the time as it says in

    Luke 6:35 for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.

    thats the verse that caused that massive discussion we had last time because it’s just seem that the 7 woes contradicted luke 6:35 for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. or do i have a misunderstanding of what kindness really is cause it also said rebuke but with a loving and gentle spirt, but it seemed when he said the seven woes he was more aggressive than gentle. thx just clear this up and i’ll be out of your hair thx mate :D

    • I did not say Jesus was kind all the time.
      You have a misunderstanding of what kind is.

      Let’s look at the verse you mentioned:
      Luke 6:35-36

      35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

      Being kind is not necessarily not warning people to not do things they should not.

      God is kind in that He causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends the rain to fall on Righteous and Unrighteous.
      Matthew 5:43-47

      43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

      The woes were to warn people. By warning people of what they face if they continue in sin, Jesus was being kind.

      Telling people who are stealing that they need to not do so or they will go to jail is not unkind.

  21. i mean i just don’t find this gentle, maybe this version is wrong thoe

    • The director and producers and actors will cause things to be played a certain way, and we do not have a recording of what happened other than in print and sometimes that doesnt portray nuances right. That version does not match everything in scripture, bit I think the idea is probably accurate.

      But is it kinder to let someone to fall to their death or to try to stop them? Jesus was telling people what they were doing wasnt working – they were trying to have a nice and pretty outer shell, but their insides needed to be cleaned- they needed God. This is why things looked good on the outside, but on the inside they were corrupt, defiled, unrighteous.

  22. yes but if you call them a fool and a snake when there stealing thats unkind.

  23. thx mate ;D take care

  24. i finally think i understand because you see someone was rude to me today and i rebuked them in a bold way but with a calm and nice tone, and instead of getting offended like i thought they would they apologized sincerely and i forgave them and they were a lot nicer than any day ! i finally understand ! :D

    • I am glad things went well with you. :). Sometime people will get upset with you even if you are kind and tactful. But you will have done your job.

  25. hey long time no write i just have a question what is blasphemy against the holy spirt and how do i know if i’ve committed it ?

    • I dont think it is clear as to what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Most people I know of think it is denying Christ as Lord and Savior until you die.

  26. oh right thx :D

  27. Is ALL lying a Sin ? I can understand that lying for wrong reasons like false witness against someone or lying as fraud in a insurance scam to get money is Sin. But what about lying for the right reason ?
    What about the Act of lying that Rahab the prostitute had to do when she hid the 2 spies in the OT. In the NT it is shown that her Actions was a Act of Faith ?

    • I think its clear that lying is an abomination to the Lord.

      Proverbs 12:22

      Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, But those who deal faithfully are His delight.

      God does not think much of harlots, which is what Rahab was. Neither does He think much of liars. It was not the lying that was a good thing, or by which she was justified. But her faith is what justified her – that faith showed itself when she took the two spies in and sent hid them and sent them out another way. She lied – a sin. But her sins were forgiven when she received the spies in peace and sent them out by another way.
      Hebrews 11:31

      By faith Rahab the harlot did not perish along with those who were disobedient, after she had welcomed the spies in peace.

      James 2:25

      In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?

  28. I understand Rahab was Justified by her works when she welcomed the spies in peace. When she received the messengers and sent them out by another way. This is works of Faith. But she could not accomplish these works of Faith without lying.
    If this type of lying was a sin but she was forgiven of this Sin by her other works of faith. How exactly is that forgiveness for her Sin of Lying ?
    That would be like saying it is OK to be doing some of these sins but as long as i got other works of faith i will be forgiven for my sins
    I thought the Only way to have Mercy and forgiveness is to repent/Change of Mind from Sin confess and forsake the Sin. There is nothing in the scripture that indicates Rahab did this regarding her lying. She had NO CHOICE but to lie.
    Regarding her being a Prostitute that was her CHOICE. We know from scripture she changed that life and Got Married.
    Ok as a Christian we tell other people ALL Types of lying is a Sin. That we forsake all types of lying. But in my heart i KNOW that under certain circumstances ”without a Choice” i am going to lie. That means really i have not repented and forsaken all types of lying. That this would make me a hypocrite in the Area.
    What about Christians that have Protected Jews by hiding them and then lying to the Nazi’s about there whereabouts

    Regarding being a Prostitute that involves Choice

    • I disagree that Rahab had no choice other than to lie.

      Lying involves choice. Being a prostitute involves choice. In fact, I’d go so far as to say any sin involves choice – trust and obey God or not. It may be that trusting God will bring about very difficult circumstances, but this is not a bad thing. God uses those for our growth and His glory and perhaps others will come to faith through our response to difficult circumstances.

      Rahab showed her faith was alive when she receive the messengers and when she sent them out.

      But Rahab showed a lack of faith when she lied. She should have trusted God in that too.

      But even so, all sins are forgiven by God when we trust in Him. This is true whether we have a lot of faith or a little faith. THis is what our growth is supposed to be about – becoming more like Christ, being changed by the Holy Spirit and living as the Law which God has written on our hearts dictates. We should grow in that ability.

      Our sins are forgiven when we trust in God – past, current, future. But God writes on our hearts His Laws, so we WANT to do the right thing, rather than simply trying to follow a set of rules. No one can 100% all the time live the rules defined in the Law. Its very purpose was to show us we need a savior – a propitiation, a sacrifice for our own sins. Once we realize that we need Christ and turn to God through faith in Christ, we are free from the Law.

      If in your heart you KNOW there are certain circumstances where you will lie, then you have not trusted God in those areas. Ask God to heolp you grow in those areas.

      Sometimes not lying will bring about punishment – is this wrong? Is it to be avoided? No. We must live righteously and trust God for the results. It is better to suffer for doing right, than suffer for doing the wrong thing (1 Peter 3:8-18).

      Lying is wrong. Period. We must trust God. Obeying civil authority is usually right but sometimes wrong. If what the civil authorities order (or pass laws which order) something that goes against what God has said, then it is wrong to obey those laws/orders. But that is a different thing than lying. God has said to not lie. He has not given exceptions.

      However, :) to confuse things more, we are free from the Law of sin and death (Romans 8:2, 1 Corinthians 9:21), and there ARE things where we must each be convinced in our own minds (Romans 14). Perhaps that is what some were thinking when they lied to hide Hebrews in Nazi times. *shrug* I do not know. I know God knows the intent of the heart. I know God recognizes love. I know we are commanded to love God and love others. Live that way, with love for God foremost, and you will bring glory to God.

      • Obviously lying to pervert to course of Justice to protect oneself from punishment about a crime one has committed is ”wrong” which is unrighteousness. But criminals that have murdered someone and a friend or family member of One has witnessed this murder went into hiding somewhere. Then these criminals who are out to silence the witness by killing him come to one asking the whereabouts of the their friend or family member. One is Right to say to them. ”I do not know”. I would have thought this is righteousness doing the Right thing.

        What about when one says something to others which he believes to be true but in reality it is a lie. Is one excused from lying because one believed it was the truth ?

        • It seems to me that you are trying to make morality subjective.

          God is clear that liars will burn in the lake of fire.

          Revelation 21:6-8

          6 Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. 7 He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. 8 But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

          If you find yourself in a situation where you have a choice to lie or not lie, then I suggest you obey God and find another way to deal with the situation. You can always say, “I know where they are, but I am not telling you.” If you love God and the witness, then you will be willing to give your life for them. Or you could simply tell them to talk to the cops, or any of a number of other possibilities.

          As for your question about when someone says something they believe to be true, but is not – it is not a sin to be wrong. If you believe something is true, and you are mistaken or misled, then you are wrong, but you are not lying. IF you know something is untrue and you pass it along as true, then you are lying.

          If you purposefully mislead someone, that is being deceitful, and is something God has said to not do.

          We must put away all deceit.
          1 Peter 2:1-3

          1 Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander, 2 like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation, 3 if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.

          1 Peter 3:8-

          8 To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; 9 not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing. 10 For,

          “The one who desires life, to love and see good days,
          Must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from speaking deceit.
          11 “He must turn away from evil and do good;
          He must seek peace and pursue it.
          12 “For the eyes of the Lord are toward the righteous,
          And His ears attend to their prayer,
          But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.”

          Hebrews 3:12-14

          12 Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called “Today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end,

          It is NOT right to lie; its a sin. Period.

          Doing what God has said to NOT do is unrighteousness. Not doing what God has said to do is unrighteousness. Doing something that is not from faith is unrighteousness.

          Romans 14:23

          But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.

          James 4:17

          Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin.

          1 John 3:4

          Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

          1 John 5:17

          All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death.

  29. I suppose if i find myself standing in the middle of a railway track and a train is coming i have a ”choice” whether to stay there and die or get out the way and live. But it really is not much of a Choice.
    To say to criminals ”i know where he is but i am not telling you” would be a bad option because now they know that you know would provoke them into beating it out of you. It also would certainly have been a bad option for those christians who hid Jews from Nazis to give them that sort of reply. I suppose the best option is to confess the sin of lying to God under these circumstaces.

    • You may not like the choices, but this does not mean you do not have a choice. The BEST option is to do what GOD wants you to do. God hates lying, so I doubt HE would want you to lie.

      When you look at things from an earthly perspective, then your physical life and lack of pain or suffering is important to you. When you look at things from a heavenly perspective, your life here is not so important.

      It is better to suffer for doing something right than something wrong.
      2 Peter 2:19-24

      19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

      22 “He committed no sin,
      and no deceit was found in his mouth.”

      23 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. 24 “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” 25 For “you were like sheep going astray,” but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

      1 Peter 3:14-17

      14 But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear their threats; do not be frightened.” 15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. 17 For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.

      God is clear to not sin.

      Romans 6:12-13

      Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness.

      Of course, you are free to do what you want, but scripture tells us people who trust in Christ are not to lie.
      Colossians 3:9

      Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices

      God allows people to make their choices. I have no idea if every false teacher knows they are teaching falsely, but I DO know that teachers and preachers are held to a higher standard than the rest of people.
      James 3:1

      Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

      We also know some people will be guided by their sin and not teach correcrtly, but prey on people. They have a FORM of godliness but deny its power. We are to avoid them.
      2 Timothy 3:1-9

      1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

      6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

      We know God chose Jacob over Esau. But the will of God for Jacob to have the birthright did not HAVE to involve lying. Jacob and Rebecca chose to lie. I am sure God would have worked it out without Jacob having to lie, if He had sought God’s instructions. But Jacob chose to do it his own way, instead of God’s way.

      Its always your choice to obey God or not. Chose to not lie. Trust Christ. Obey God.

  30. As regards to one who says something they believe to be true but in reality it is not- It is not sin to be wrong.

    The reason why i was wondering about this is because you have many different church denominations who’s false teachers believe what they teach is the truth but in reality it is false. They are deceived themselves and deceive others.
    Surely they must be in sin for being wrong. How do they put this deceit away from their mouths if they do not believe it to be deceit ?

  31. You say Rahab the prostitute could have chose not to lie. God hated Esau and loved Jacob before they were born. It was the Plan of God to Choose Jacob to have the birthright as the line for the nation of Israel. For Jacob to get the birthright he had to ”lie and deceive” his father Isaac to pretend he was Esua to get it because Esau was to have the birthright being the oldest son.
    With it being the will of God for Jacob to have the birthright. What other Choice did Jacob have other then lying to his father Isaac to get that birthright ?
    If the only choice for Jacob was lying to get the birthright. Why did the will of God for Jacob to have the birthright have to involve lying to get it ?

  32. Yes the best option is to do what God wants by not lying. Its the next best option to confess the sin lying if one has lied.
    Yes it is better to suffer for doing something right then something wrong. But it is causing ”others” to suffer by doing something right is problematic. One would find it hard to live with themselves or God by causing others to suffer by doing something right.
    To be a false teacher knowingly would be a choice of evil. But ones like Jehovah witnesses, Mormons, Muslims heretics etc seem very sincere in what they believe. Their deceit and the deception they are under seems to be without Choice because of blindness to the Truth.

    Paul did not seek instructions from the Lord when Jesus came to him on the road to damascus.
    It is the lord that comes to us to give instructions. Isaac knew it was the will of the Lord that Jacob was to have the birthright when his wife was told by the Lord the older will serve the younger. but he went against the will of God by trying to give it to Esau. By hook or by crook the will of the Lord will be done. That is why Isaac trembled when he found out that Jacob received the blessing.
    God should have come to Jacob and give him instructions on how to get the birthright without involving lying for Jacob to have a Choice. But because God did not do this Jacob was left with no Choice.

    Was Isaac and Jacob hypocrites because the Sinned ?

    • Doing the right thing, being righteous, is always the right answer. If there is a way to do what God wants and not harm people, obviously that is the best solution. But if there is collateral damage because we are in a spiritual battle, then there is. Some people would claim to be hurt by us proclaiming the word of God, by us tell people God hates sin and telling them what they are doing or thinking is sin and that they are sinners and need to repent and turn to God through faith in Christ – but it is what we are called to do anyway.

      Yes, to choose to purposefully and knowingly teach lies would be a sin.

      I think some false teachers are deceived because some people are destined to be.
      John 12:39-40

      39 For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, 40 “He has blinded their eyes and He hardened their heart, so that they would not see with their eyes and perceive with their heart, and be converted and I heal them.”

      Romans 9:18

      So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

      1 Peter 2:8

      and, “A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense”; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.

      Yes, God chose Paul and appeared to him on the road to Damascus – it was not of Paul’s doing.

      I’m not sure whether Isaac knew about the older serving the younger (remember in Genesis 25 that the Lord told it to Rebecca, not to Isaac), or whether Isaac knew that would mean the birthright would go to the younger child. So there may have been no deceit or sin in Isaac not knowingly giving the blessing to the younger child.

      God uses lying spirits to accomplish His will (1 Kings 22:22-23; 2 Chronicles 18:21-22), so I dont see why he would not use lying men to do so. But as to whether God SHOULD have done anything other than what He did, I dont think so. I think God used men’s own natural inclinations and sinful hearts and minded to accomplish His will. He knew Isaac were liars and Jacob would do what was needed for Jacob to get did the blessing – so there was no need to make Jacob do other than what he did. Abraham lied about Sarah being his sister (Gen 20), Isaac said the same lie (Genesis 26:6-11). So then Jacob lied to his father (Gen 27) – the sins of the father being visited upon the children to the third and fourth generation (Exodus 20:5). So they were not necessarily hypocrites – just sinful men.

  33. For WBMoore,

    From reading Mr. Thorpe’s comments, I am convinced he is not a sincere person but is an infiltrator, troll, or agent.

    Such people are sent by the powers-that-be to derail comments at any blog that might pose a threat to the interests of the current ruling elites.

    That is why Mr. Thorpe’s comments all tend to attack Jesus under the pretense of seeking clarification and defend the Pharisees under the pretense of being empathic toward them.

    The ruling elites seek to substitute themselves for Jesus in Christianity (thus, Christian Zionism).

    You sense this yourself.

    I would suggest that you block such comments as the whole intention is to subvert your blog.

    Why? Because your blog clearly undermines Hebrew Roots theories about Jesus being only FOR the Jews.

    HR and some Messianic Jews and Christians want to remake the Gospel into something favorable to the Sanhedrin ( speak metaphorically).

    Both movements have been manufactured for that purpose.

    • I do not know if his comments are intended to derail others or not.

      The thing is, his comments were from 2 years ago. I’m not worried about people who might be trying to confuse people, as I want to address any issues which might be confusing others. So I will likely continue to approve and answer most comments, regardless of where they come from.

      To date, the only exception has been to people who continually ignore my responses and keep going over the same issues from the same perspectives.

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