Purpose of the Book of Revelation

            Why would anyone write a book like Revelation, which is so different from the other books of the New Testament?  The focus of this essay will be the examination of the purpose of the book of Revelation.  Included in the discussion will be which John wrote the book and the various interpretive views used with this particular book.

            The authors identify themselves in the first few verses of the book, as is common for many New Testament books.  I say ‘authors’ because the human author makes it quite clear he was sent the revelation by God through an angel. God wrote the book of Revelation through the hand of someone named John.  The human author identifies himself as John in Revelation 1:1, 4, 9; 22:8.1  John also indicated in Revelation 1:9 that he was on the island of Patmos, which is where Ignatius claimed John was exiled to.2 Justin Martyr, who lived in the first part of the second century, attributed the prophecy to the Apostle John.3,4  Numerous early Church Fathers credited the Apostle John with having authored the book of Revelation.5 It is evident, from the fact that the author did not identify himself more fully, that he was sufficiently well known by the churches to which he addressed the letters.  The language used was not that of a person for whom Greek was their first language, while the use of imagery suggests knowledge only a Hebrew would have – both of these issues would be satisfied by the Apostle John.6  All of this suggests the Apostle John wrote the book of Revelation.

            The various methods of interpretation of the book must be examined to provide a framework for understanding the text and to help determine the purpose of the book.  There have historically been four different methods of interpreting the book of Revelation, particularly chapters 4 through 22 of the book of Revelation: allegorical, preteristic, historical, and futuristic.  Each of these will be examined in turn.

            The allegorical approach, also known as the spiritual approach, sees the book of Revelation as a purely symbolic discussion of the conflict between God and Satan.7 Those who hold to this view, like Augustine, Clement of Alexandria and Origen, claim there is nothing literal in this book.  In this view, the entire book is simply a timeless allegory about the conflict between good and evil.8  Since it is not considered a prophetic work, those who hold this view do not believe in any millennial kingdom of Christ and as such hold to an amillennial view.  The problem with this view is that it ignores the author’s statement in Revelation 1:3 that it was prophesy.

The Preterist approach views the book of Revelation as symbolic history.  This view sees the book as having been symbolically descriptive of the things that had occurred in John’s time and do not look to any time in the author’s future.9 Since it does not look to the future, this view is amillennial.  This view sees the purpose of the book as purely one of comfort and encouragement.  The problem with this view is that, like the allegorical approach, it ignores the fact that John specifically stated he was writing prophecy. 10

A third method of interpretation is the historic method.  This view recognizes that there is a great deal of symbolic language, but contends that the book of Revelation uses symbolism to present the complete Church history up to the time of Christ’s return.  In this view, it is thought the thousand years spoken of in Revelation 20:2 is the peace that follows the conversion of the world brought on by the gradual spread of the Gospel.  As such, this view is postmillennial.11  Walvoord quotes Henry C. Theissen as saying that Wycliffe, Luther, and Sir Isaac Newton, among others, held this position.12  The problem with this position, as Wiersbe points out is, “One interpreter sees Luther and the Reformation in a symbol that, to another student, stands for the invention of the printing press.” 13

The futurist approach sees all the visions from chapters 4 through 22 relating to a time preceding and following the return of Christ.  This premillennial view looks forward to Christ’s future return to earth and reign on earth for one thousand years as prophesied in Revelation 20:2-7.  Variations of this view were held by Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Hippolytus, and Victorinus, all of whom were early Church Fathers.14  Those who hold to this method of interpretation use a more literal interpretation where possible, recognizing the symbolic language that is so prevalent in Revelation must be accounted for in any interpretive system.  People who object to this view usually argue that it would offer no “practical comfort.”15

I tend to agree with Elwell’s position that each of the four different approaches have something of value in them. Certainly the book of Revelation can be used as an allegory for the ever-present combat of good versus evil, with Christ reigning supreme in the end.  I also think the perterists have something to their idea that the book does refer to John’s day. However, it also can be applied to almost any point in the history of the Church.  But since I hold to a contextual-historical interpretation of the bible, I think the futurist’s premillennial view holds the most for us in how to interpret this book.16

 While some may believe the futurist’s approach held no comfort, that was not necessarily the primary purpose of the text.  The human author states his purpose in writing the book along side that of God’s purpose in giving the revelation to him in Revelation 1:1-3, to present everything he was told to say:

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near. 

God’s purpose is also given in the same verse, to encourage people to take heed of what is told within the revelation and practice it.  Revelation 1:19 expands that purpose by stating specifically that John to write about what he had seen, what was happening at that time, and what would occur in the future.  While that may have been the expressed purpose in writing the book, I think there were many different purposes.  One purpose was to present the reader with a better understanding of what their faith in Christ would do for them.  The book was an encouragement to the Christian who could look forward to the time he would be reunited with Christ, and as such was a book that offered very practical comfort.  It was a spur to action for those who needed an extra nudge to help them maintain the course past difficult times as well, be they living in John’s time or any other time.  Another purpose of the book was to show exactly what Paul had taught concerning Israel being brought back into the fold would come to pass.   In doing so, God gave encouragement to future Jews who would hear the Gospel, but He also laid the groundwork to bring glory to Himself when the various prophecies in the book of Revelation appear to come to pass. I think a final purpose I see for the book was to provide a constant reminder to the Christians who would follow the Apostolic age that Christ can return at any time, and to encourage us to remain faithful, just as Christ is faithful.

            Christ loves those who love Him.  One manifestation of that love was the book of Revelation.  He loved us and so chose to offer us this book as a means to encourage us with something of what we have to look forward to. God, using John the Apostle, wrote the book of Revelation. Possibly the best approach to interpreting and applying the book of Revelation in our lives today would be to use a literal-cultural-historical-grammatical interpretation, with an approach that combined the various views presented earlier, but focusing upon the premillennial futurist’s approach. This would provide the most accurate interpretation and would make it easier for each person to understand the book on many different levels.


Works Cited

    Elwell, Walter A. ed. “Revelation: Introduction.” Evangelical Commentary on the Bible. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House Company. 1989. [CD-ROM]. Logos Library System. 1996.

    Ignatius. “The Episle of Ignatius to the Tarsians”. Ante-Nicene Fathers. Volume I, chapter 3. [On-Line] Available: <http://ccel.wheaton.edu/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-28.htm#P2610_431080&gt; [Accessed December 11, 1998].

    International Bible Society. The Holy Bible: The New International Version. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan. 1984. Scholar’s Library [CD-ROM]. Logos Library System. 1997.

    Johnson, Alan F.1981. “Revelation”. The Expositor’s Bible Commentary. Vol. 12. Ed. Gaebeleien, Frank E., Douglass, J. D. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Corporation. 397-603.

Martyr, Justin. “Dialogue of Justin”. Ante-Nicene Fathers. Volume I, Chapters 80-81,  [On-Line] Available: <http://ccel.wheaton.edu/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-48.htm#P4767_1027095&gt; [Accessed December 11, 1998].

    Martyr, Justin. “Introductory Note to the First Apology of Justin Martyr“. Ante-Nicene Fathers. Volume I <http://ccel.wheaton.edu/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-45.htm#P3573_611640&gt; [Accessed December 11, 1998].

    Richards, Lawrence O. “Study Guide 169: Introduction – Revelation.” The Teacher’s Commentary. Wheaton, IL: Victor Books. 1987. Scholar’s Library [CD-ROM]. Logos Library System. 1997.

    Walvoord, John F. The revelation of Jesus Christ. Chicago, IL: Moody Press. 1966.

    Wiersbe, Warren W. Wiersbe’s expository outlines on the New Testament, Wheaton, IL : Victor Books. 1992. Scholar’s Library [CD-ROM], Logos Library System. 1997.

   

 

 


        

Foot Notes

1 All Bible references are drawn from: International Bible Society, The Holy Bible: The New International Version, (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan. 1984) Scholar’s Library [CD-ROM], Logos Library System.

2 Ignatius, “The Episle of Ignatius to the Tarsians”, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume I, chapter 3, [On-Line] Available: <http://ccel.wheaton.edu/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-28.htm#P2610_431080&gt; [Accessed December 11, 1998].

3 Justin Martyr, “Dialogue of Justin”, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume I, Chapters 80-81, [On-Line] Available: <http://ccel.wheaton.edu/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-48.htm#P4767_1027095&gt; [Accessed December 11, 1998].

4 Justin Martyr, “Introductory Note to the First Apology of Justin Martyr.” Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume I <http://ccel.wheaton.edu/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-45.htm#P3573_611640&gt; [Accessed December 11, 1998].

5 John F. Walvoord, The revelation of Jesus Christ, (Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1966), 12-14.

6 Alan F. Johnson, “Revelation,” The Expositor’s Bible Commentary, Vol. 12. Ed. Frank E. Gaebeleien, J. D. Douglass, (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1981), 404-405.

7 Walvoord, 16.

8 Warren W. Wiersbe, “Revelation: Introductory Notes to Revelation,” Wiersbe’s expository outlines on the New Testament, (Wheaton, IL : Victor Books, 1992), Scholar’s Library [CD-ROM], Logos Library System, section III, paragraph B.

9 Walter A. Elwell, ed., “Revelation: Introduction,” Evangelical Commentary on the Bible, (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House Company, 1989), paragraph 17.

10 Wiersbe, section III, paragraph A.

11 Lawrence O. Richards, “Study Guide 169: Introduction – Revelation,” The Teacher’s Commentary, (Wheaton, IL: Victor Books, 1987), “History of Interpretation” section, “Postmillennial” paragraph.

12 Walvoord, 18.

13 Wiersbe, section III, paragraph B.

14 Johnson, 408-409.

15 Walvoord, 21.

16Elwell, paragraph 21.

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  2. Preterists do not believe that it was written about events that had past already, but about things which were “at hand” [near], or “must shortly come to pass” in John’s day. They were things that were in the future, but not in the far-off future. If it was in the far-off future (according to preterists), it becomes physically impossible for anyone to “keep” [obey] the words of the prophecy until the fulfillment. According to the preterist, the futurist view has no meaning or application, nor can it be understood by anyone until the time in which it is fulfilled.

    • I’m not sure what point you are trying to make.

      From http://www.preteristviewpoint.com/ :

      “The word “preterist” or “preterism,” of course, means past fulfillment. Simply expressed, the word refers to that view of Bible prophecy which recognizes that all of the O.T. and N.T. prophecies of future redemptive and soteriological events were fulfilled completely at the time of the Roman invasion of Jerusalem and the burning of its Temple in A.D. 70. ”

      Dictionary.com defines preterist as:

      a person who maintains that the prophecies in the Apocalypse have already been fulfilled. Compare futurist ( def. 2 ) , presentist.

      On the other hand, what I wrote was:

      The Preterist approach views the book of Revelation as symbolic history. This view sees the book as having been symbolically descriptive of the things that had occurred in John’s time and do not look to any time in the author’s future.

  3. source of my comments are kjv bible
    BOOK OF REVELATION
    The first three verses (kjv) are addressed directly to a select/elect group of people who will be of the generation that succeeds. Much of the book has been veiled from mankind for nearly 2000 years. It is the final exam for this select group. Verse 3 ends with “the time is at hand”. Indeed, as they slowly unlock and partake of God’s hidden manna ,in the bible; they see the events which are described unfolding before their eyes. The seventh trumpet sounds when these 14400 are sealed. They no longer believe in God through faith but by fact.

    In summary…….the book of revelation is intended to justify (validate) his elect.

    may God bless

    • I am not sure yo uand I would use the terms validate and justify the same way.

      I think that verses 1-3 tell us that the book of Revelation was given as a warning of things that were to happen, so they would read/hear it and take the things in it to heart because the end was near.

      I think everyone will believe in God in fact, not just the 144000.

  4. Mr Moore,
    I pray that what I am about to tell you will not be rejected based on established theology. It grieves my soul that almost two thousands years of theological study has turned the bible and God’s word into an action comic book. A book of mystical action heroes, ( the two witnesses), and mystical super villains, (the antichrist, the beast 666, the beast from the bottomless pit). Let’s not forget the rapture and the final physical battle between good and evil.

    But enough of my tirade.

    My post on your website John 11:49-52 ties directly to the following; and should be part of your consideration of what I about to tell you.

    Your consideration and reply, if any, should be based on the KJV version of the bible. (The reason for this request will become obvious later in this post).

    There will be two separate gatherings of the seed in the so called end times (which time is at hand).

    The first gathering will be of the Jewish people who are under the law and under God’s curse. This gathering is almost complete.(Jews currently flooding back to Israel )

    The second gathering will be of the Godly seed. Both of these gatherings are talked about throughout the bible.

    In regard to the first gathering, I offer the following verses (kjv) for your consideration.

    Rev Ch 16 vs 13-17 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

    14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, saying, It is done.

    The reason I insist on the kjv bible is that the NIV version changed the word them in verse 16, to kings. They assumed verse 16 tied to the previous verses (even after the admonishment in verse 15 and rev ch 22 vs 18.

    God changed subjects and was referring to the return of the first Jewish group.

    Lastly, Isaiah ch 65 (kjv) should help your understanding.

    May God Bless

    • I am sorry for not responding earlier. I have been quite busy.
      I am really not sure of what point you are trying to make with what you have written here.

  5. Mr Moore

    I hope all is well with you. Your silence has been deafening.

    Usually I try to be concise and to the point. I am a retired accountant of 69 years of age and am not a fan of speculation. I picked up the the kjv bible some 14 years ago. The first thing I read was the book of revelation. My first reaction was to realize how much trouble mankind was in. My second reaction was that God was giving me a puzzle to solve. Over the years, as the puzzle pieces slowly fell into place, the big picture took form and the worldly events began to recognizably unfold.

    The vial events of rev ch 17 are occurring as I write. The euphrates has effectively dried up and the kings of the east (russia and china), have entered the military fray in the middle east. The king of the north (iran) is massing ground troops for a syrian invasion.

    With all this in mind, I offer the following concerning the tribulation which is in the book of daniel and the second gathering;which is of the Godly seed.

    Rev Ch 17 vs 10 kjv

    And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

    In the histoey of the U S presidency there have been three occasions when a president took office, that five preceding presidents were still alive, The last time this occurred was when Bush (43) took office. This makes Mr. Obama the seventh king. When Mr Obama finished his first term, there was no doubt in my mind he would be reelected (he
    must continue a short space).

    Mr. Obama’s coming premature departure from office is directly referenced in the book of daniel (kjv) chapter 11 (last two verses). The tribulation and gathering of the Godly seed are referenced in the book of daniel chapter 12 first verse.

    thank you and may God bless

    • Hello again.

      I will be interested to see if Obama leaves office early. I dont think he will, but anything is possible with God.

      But again, I am not sure what point you are making with what you are sharing.

  6. Mr Moore

    The first four verses of chapter 11 in the book of revelation describe the appointment of the two witnesses.(use kjv version only).

    With one small change and one statement of fact, you or one of your readers, should be able to identify the two witnesses.

    Change………..In verse four change the capital G in the word God to a lower case g.

    Fact……………..The holy city of Najaf, in Iraq, was trampled underfoot for 42 months during the Iraq war.

    • If you look at the Greek word for ‘god’ in verse 4, it is kurios. This does not mean God, but Lord – which is the same word used in Rev 11:8.

      But again… I am not trying to be obtuse but I’m not sure what you are saying…

    • Mr Moore
      Isaiah 45:7

      I form the light, and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.

      Since the biblical month is 30 days then 1260 days is just another way of saying 42 months.

      What I am trying to tell you is that God was appointing the Gentiles.
      The two witnesses are the US and England.
      You need to read God”s words very carefully.

      If you understood this, then you can research the Iraq war. On day 1261 something significant happened which represents the beast from the bottomless pit rising up and killing the two witnesses. Perhaps you can successfully identify this event in the Iraq conflict.
      If not, then….. may God bless and please continue your good work.

  7. Mr Moore

    You have been very gracious by allowing me to continue to post on your websites. The purpose of my postings have been arranged to bring you to an understanding of my logic on the purpose of the book of revelation……..This will be my last post and is intended to bring you full circle to my original post,

    I believe Jesus states “I come as a thief”

    This has come to mean to me that he will quietly and secretly gather hid elect.

    I thought there might be a 1% chance that I am on the list, So, some time ago I made up a new first and last name for myself. I have never written it down or spoken it aloud to anyone.,,,,,,,so here I sit, waiting for my white stone..

    Finally, I leave you with a statement from the book of Enoch (the Lord’s scribe)………..The righteous will inhabit the earth and the elect will possess it

    May God be merciful

    • I think we can be certain of our salvation, certain we will be with God.
      1 Thessalonians 5:2

      For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

      2 Peter 3:10

      But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

      Revelation 3:3

      Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

      Revelation 16:15

      Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

      I dont think it means that God will secretly come – not to gather the elect secretly. I think it means the judgment of Christ will come – for both believers and nonbelievers (Rev 16:15).

      God make us righteous. God elects us. God gifts us faith, salvation, and grace.

  8. Mr Moore,

    Until recently, I believe God has allowed me to solve every riddle I have found in the KJV bible, except one. Two days ago I am certain he revealed the answer to me.

    If I turn out to be a false prophet; I pray God will have mercy and correct me. If I am correct; may God have mercy on us all.

    God tells us that the abomination of desolation will be set up 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is taken away. The abomination was set up on December 8, 2015.

    This takes us to Dan Ch 12vs 12

    Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

    That date calculates to January 22, 2016.

    As this is the 12th chapter and 12th verse (12×12=144), I believe it is directly addressed to the 144,000.

    I will allow you to interpret the meaning.

    Mr. Moore, it’s time to fasten your seatbelt; the time is at hand.

    This concludes my 15 year study of God’s Word

    Amen

    • I think you are VERY confused.
      Matthew 24:35-36

      35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. 36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

      There was no verse numbering when God gave those prophecies, so I find it hard to believe those things should be used as prophecy.

      The daily sacrifice ended when the temple was destroyed in 70AD. So I don’t know what you are talking about. Neither do I know what you think the abomination is that was supposed to have been set up 12/8/15.

      • Mr Moore,

        God has placed many riddles and hidden things (things hidden in plain sight) in the KJV bible. They are there to be understood, even though hidden. This riddle is at the very end of the book of Daniel. It is simply telling the 144,000 that all of them will finally be sealed prepared and validated on that date…………In fact I’m sure the very last of the 144,000 will have solved and understood this on January 22, 2016. NOW IT’S GOD’S TURN.

        • I think God has made plain things in scripture – for those who have the Spirit. Without the Spirit, it is foolishness. I don see in scripture where He has said he put riddles and hidden things. I dont see the need to seek out riddles – our God intended the BIble to communicate with His children. He has no need to put riddles in it.

  9. Mr Moore,

    The abomination of desolation, which Jesus speaks of in Matt 24, is certainly not referring to 70 A.D. (see verse21). The date that it is set up is used to show the 144,000 that they are totally vetted as a group on Jan 22, 2016. The date that it is set up also tells us that the tribulation will begin on the sabbath day (satuday) in the winter.
    (see Matt Ch 24, vs 20 and 21)

    The following website is where I saw the abomination. It is a 1 hour 12 min 2 sec video. The abomination occurs at ..(39 minutes 30 seconds into the video).

    www,newsinfo.inquirer.net/745975/745975

    Watch St. Peters’ Basilica’s climate change light show

    • There is nothing to show that anything has happened on the date you specify. God is clear No one knows when He will return.

      • Mr Moore

        As we both know God does not change and cannot lie to us. But when it comes to allowing us to deceive ourselves He is a master.

        My last post indicated (as I paraphrased Jesus) that the first day of the tribulation would be on a sabbath day in the winter. That statement is correct but misleading.

        My explanation follows:

        In the winter, the ground is frozen, the fields are not being worked, grain, vegetable and fruit processing are all completed.

        The activities of the people, described in Matt ch 24 during the beginning of the tribulation, scream out summer activity. Is this a contradiction. No, it is not.

        The winter season in the southern hemisphere is identical to the summer season in the northern hemisphere. Jun 20 to Sep 21, 2016.

        Zech ch 14 is speaking of the time and events described in Matt ch 24

        zech 14 vs 8

        And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and winter shall it be.

        The day shall be in summer and winter. This would never have been understood until knowledge was increased.

        So, the first day of the tribulation will occur on the sabbath in the winter. Jun 20 to Sep 21, 2016.

  10. Mr Moore

    I think I’m finally at the point where I can put the bible down, open a bag of popcorn and watch the Big Show unfold. It seems every time I have tried to do this, the Big Guy throws me another curve. In fact over the time I have been chasing Him through the bible; I have had to throw out up to six months of precepts because of one thing that didn’t fit . When the winter season ended and nothing happened, any normal person would have said “I’ve been wrong about everything.” My first reaction was; “You dummy, you should have known He was hiding something.”

    The devil has nothing on God. The devil deceives you by lying to you. God will tell us the truth and allow us to deceive ourselves. He is a Master at it.

    When you read God’s word you need to have a good grasp of science(which has slowly caught up with God’s word), accounting, finance, math. access to the internet, the attitude that all that he speaks is intended to be understood. Eventually you realize that He wants you to find him. And, luckily, we live in an age where knowledge has increased and become available to all, to the point that this is now possible.

  11. Mr Moore

    You have allowed me to post on your website for over a year now. In fact, you and I have been the only contributors during this time. I have tried to gently introduce you to my understanding of our creator. It is now time for your final exam. there are 6 consecutive verses in the book of Amos which cover almost everything I have related to you concerning the gathering of the Godly seed, the purpose of the book of revelation, the culmination of God’s curse, the resolution of the winter/summer problem, the hidden manna,etc. If you have attempted to analyze and understand what I have been telling you, then you will understand these 6 versus (remember; kjv version only)
    Please read and reflect on the book of Amos.ch 3, versus 10 thru 15.

    • well.. others have contributed, just not on this particular blog post.

      I am afraid I don’t analyze prophecy much at all. God has not moved in me for that. I have and do take what God gives me when I read or study, but I have not felt led to study this in any way.

  12. Mr Moore

    I’ve decided I’m fighting a losing battle with mankind concerning God’s word. I use the white stone prophecy as my example. If you read very carefully what God says about the white stone; He only says He will give us a white stone. He does not say He will give us a new name. Theology, the churches and all individuals who write about this all debate what could be the new name God is going to give us. All of God’s deceptions have been so firmly embedded and passed on through the generations that they have become unassailable doctrine.

    Thank you for your patience

    • We are made to understand what God wants us to understand, and blinded to that which He does not want us to understand. Sometimes we are meant to understand later – sometimes not at all. We must be satisfied with what God gives us.

  13. Mr Moore

    I am going to try to show you that you are the student and I am the teacher. All you have to do is be a messenger to prove you are the teacher.

    In the book of Isaiah, God makes the announcement that his son will be born on December 25. He does it in the form of a riddle. The only way to prove or disprove what I am saying is by explaining the riddle to the scientific community. They finally have the knowledge and computational ability to tell you if I am correct. The churches really have no idea when Jesus was born. But God made sure that we would celebrate Jesus birth on the correct day. ( I won’t explain why he hid this in the form of a riddle until later in this post when I show and explain this riddle to the science community; which follows now.)
    All you need to do is present this posting to the scientific community. You must also provide the year Jesus was born or the possible years of his birth.

    Dear science community,

    Over two thousand years ago, God announced the month and day his son would be born in the form of a science riddle. God also insured that the date we celebrate His Sons birthday is the proper day so we could be sure. God is counting on you to tell the church that yes this is a science riddle and the answer is December 25. YOU ARE THE ONLY AUTHORITY THEY WILL RECOGNIZE AND THEY WILL LISTEN TO YOUR OPINION ON THIS. (you will need the year or possible years of Jesus birth from the church).

    THE RIDDLE

    Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

    EXPLANATION

    God thinks and speaks globally here (think outside the box).

    As you know the earth is tilted approximately 23 degrees on it axis in relation to its revolution around the sun. As an example, when the winter solstice is arriving and you stand on the southern tip of the north south axis there will be an exact time that the sun will come above the horizon and continue to remain above the horizon continually for probably more than seven days.(sevenfold as the light of seven days). Now the second variable, the moon, must occur almost simultaneously. If we immediately jump to the northern tip of the axis and look into the daytime sky we will see the moon only. (the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun).

    My knowledge of science is limited to understand that this day should occur shortly after either the summer or winter solstice.
    Dec 25…Dec 25…..Dec 25,,,,,Dec 25….Dec 25

    • I don’t think Jesus was born Dec 25 – I think that’s a date the Roman Catholic Church commandeered to celebrate the birth of Christ.

  14. Mr Moore

    Amos 3:15

    And I will smite the winter house with the summer house; and the houses of ivory shall perish, and the great houses shall have an end, saith the Lord.

    The word house(s) is used four times in the verse. The commentaries seem to think God is listing the types of physical structures he will destroy.

    He is not referring to a physical structure in any of the four instances he uses the word house(s). HE IS THAT GOOD AT ALLOWING US TO DECEIVE OURSELVES.

    If you read this correctly, a shiver should go up your spine as it did mine.

  15. Mr Moore

    On a lighter note; I read the NIV version of Amos 3:15; and I still can’t get the image of God riding a bulldozer out of my mind…….go figure.

  16. Mr Moore

    Thank you so much for your patience with me. I certainly appreciate the insights of your last several responses. I think my search has gone as far as possible. God knows best and His will may be beyond our understanding. His thoughts and ways are higher than ours.

    May God bless your ministry and protect you all.

    • len,

      God knows what you need to study and/or focus upon. God knows where you need to be sharpened, and have edges dulled by iron. May God move you to continue to study and grow as He sees fit.

      May God bless your family and grow you all to be more like Christ and give a passion for knowing God through scripture, prayer, worship, obedience, and stepping out in faith for God. May your faith and love for God be manifested in real and practical ways in your live and those of people around you.

  17. Mr Moore

    As you know I have been trying to find a specific date. This date turns out to be a specific event. After this posting, my previous postings will come into sharper focus for you.

    God made promises and covenants to the Jewish people He is obliged to fulfill. The Jewish seed has always been the first requisite of being among the chosen; and then the spirit. The tribes, scattered for scores of generations,have introduced the seed into almost the entire population of the world. Replacement theology was not God’s goal. His goal was extending the umbrella of inclusiveness throughout the world through the seed. I cannot stress enough that we have become them through the seed. What distresses me is that only 144000 have the Godly spirit He wanted.

    On September 24, 2016, the seventh vial will be poured upon the country of Israel. The generation Jesus spoke of, will then pass away violently. It will be finished and there will be no more curse.

    If Mr. Obama is still in office on this date, then I will find a new hobby; perhaps quilting or woodworking. Mr. Obama must leave office before this date (see my previous posting concerning Mr Obama and the book of Daniel).

    • God has made promises with His people – some of those were specific to the Jewish nation, but some where to those who are of the nation by faith.

      I suggest to you that the 144000is meant to be the number of those God will use for a specific purpose and will shield until they have fulfilled His purpose for them at a specific point in time.

      I think much of what is in the book of Revelation is in language which made sense to the human author but only describes part of what will happen in a way he could understand it. I think much more will occur and it will be very different than we would expect if we take the words are face value. But I wouldn’t change the words, just realize we might not have a good understanding of what was said in the book of Revelation.

  18. Mr Moore

    THE OLD SEED AND THE NEW SEED

    Isaiah 65:8

    Thus saith the LORD, as the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants’ sake, that I may not destroy them all.

    Matt 9:17

    Neither do men put new wine in old bottles: else the new wine doth bust the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred; but new wine must be put into new bottles.

    Matt 26:29

    But I say unto you, I will not drink hence forth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

  19. Mr Moore

    I agree with the theological conviction that the third temple needs to be completed before Jesus’ second coming.

    1 Corinthians 3:16

    Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that God dwelleth in you?

    2 Corinthians 6:16

    And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    The temple is complete 144,000

    See also Rev 11:1

  20. Mr Moore

    I have long understood that the seven year tribulation period that the churches subscribe to is a stumbling block that may be insurmountable.

    I tried to point out what the first 3 1/2 years of Rev ch 11 represented.

    The second 3 1/2 year period is reported in rev ch 13.

    I will attempt to give you an event that may help you partially understand the beast from the sea (but definitely not the beast 666).

    Each chapter has 1260 days of testimony for a total of 2520 days.
    Once the testimony was finished then the results can be found. On day number 2521 of the conflict ; on that very day. the following occurred.

    On that very day, several hundred multinational corporations directly met with the finally established bank of Iraq in order to divide the entire economy among themselves. ( buy, sell, trade). To the victor go all the spoils.

  21. Mr Moore

    If God has some purpose in bringing you and I together on this website; rest assured He will achieve that purpose.

    so be it, my friend

  22. Mr Moore

    When it comes to the bible, you and I appear to be diametrically opposed,,,,,,I suppose a perfect example of this is Dan 9:27. The theology I have developed tells me that the word he in this verse is Jesus. I guess we can’t get farther apart than that………thank you and may God bless..

    • That’s an interesting statement.

      A plain reading of the context seems to indicate you would be correct that the Messiah is referenced by ‘He’ in Daniel 9:27. I got that from reading in context – not from a theology built by gathering ideas and putting them together.

      My hermeneutic is to read the scriptures using a contextual, historical, literal manner. I try to use a normal reading of the text, taking into account the context and the history of what is being said where and when.

      But I will agree with you in that I dont spend much time or effort when it comes to studying prophecy.

      May God bless you in your efforts.

  23. Mr Moore

    By giving you the specific date of September 24, 2016, for a specific event, I have backed myself into a theological corner (that I strand by)……………..What say we wait and see whether you or I get caught with their pants down.

    • I pray your are not mistaken, but if you are, that you will be able to not be too hard on yourself and seek the answers in God’s word.

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