Scripture which indicates God has not preordained everything

There are many scripture verses which speak of the predestination of certain things:

Acts 4:28

to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur.

Romans 8:29-30
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren ; and these whom He predestined, He also called ; and these whom He called, He also justified ; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
1 Corinthians 2:7
but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory ;
Ephesians 1:5
He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
Ephesians 1:11
also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

And there are scripture verses which speak of  God promising things before hand:

Titus 1:2

2in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago

There are scripture which speak of things being ordained:

Psalm 139:16

Your eyes have seen my unformed substance ; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them.

Proverbs 20:24

Man’s steps are ordained by the LORD, How then can man understand his way ?

Isaiah 45:12

“It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it. I stretched out the heavens with My hands And I ordained all their host.

We have scripture which speaks of God foreknowing people.

Romans 8:29

For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren ;

Romans 11:2
God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel ?

1 Peter 1:20

For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you;I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

But while some things are foreknown and ordained and even predestined to occur, someone pointed out some scriptures which make it evident that not all things were predestined – people have sinned in ways that did not even enter God’s mind….

Jeremiah 7:31

31 “They have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, and it did not come into My mind.

Jeremiah 19:5

5 and have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, a thing which I never commanded or spoke of, nor did it ever enter My mind ;

Jeremiah 29:23

because they have acted foolishly in Israel, and have committed adultery with their neighbors’ wives and have spoken words in My name falsely, which I did not command them; and I am He who knows and am a witness,” declares the LORD.’ “

Jeremiah 32:35

35 “They built the high places of Baal that are in the valley of Ben-hinnom to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I had not commanded them nor had it entered My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

So those who would claim a total predestination would have to come up with a cohesive explanation of predestination which includes those verses.

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7 Responses

  1. Of course, we still need to come up with a coherent understanding of scripture which takes ALL verses into account. One which would seem to contradict at least three of the Jeremiah verses mentioned above is where we see God knows everything:
    1 John 3:20
    in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

    So what did Go dmean when He said it never entered His mind?

  2. God did preordain and predestine everything. All the first verse shows is that God commanded them not to do so. The part “it did not enter My mind” only tells us that it wasn’t his will. But it never says He didn’t know that they would do it, or that it wasn’t in His plan that they should.

    We need to be careful how we interpret the words of God. If it isn’t said so, then who are we to interpret it as such?
    It like saying just because someone said that men are strong, he says that woman are weak. Reading something into a verse is our doing, not God’s.

    • I agree with what you have stated. However, to clear things up, what do you mean by preordain, prestine, and “it wasn’t his will”, since God preodained and predestined everything?

  3. With regard to predestination, the conclusion states: “You are free to choose. Don’t think that you are a helpless victim of God’s predestination or predetermining you to go to hell or to heaven. God never sends anyone to hell. People choose to send themselves there by rejecting Christ. God never forces anyone to hell just as He doesn’t twist anyone’s arm or force anyone into heaven.” – this is spot on. There is a parallel view to this that can be given from a quasi-scientific viewpoint… God in his foreknowledge can see the future. Past, Present, and Future are all visible to God. He exists outside of the bounds of time to which we as humans are shackled. He knows in advance who will choose to accept Christ, and who will not. He does not select those that choose to accept Christ, however, because as humans, we exist only in the present moment of time. Relative to our moment to moment existence inside of time to which we are bound – we have a choice – we can choose to accept Christ and the forgiveness his sacrifice on the Cross afforded us, or we choose not too and already stand condemned. Predestination does not determine causality.

    • We have a responsibility to believe in Christ, to follow Him as our Lord and Savior, to love and obey God by trusting in the saving work God has done.

      But God determines who is saved. No man comes to Jesus unless God the Father grants it, and not everyone is granted permission (John 6:65). EVERYONE that God the Father gives to Jesus WILL come to Jesus (John 6:37). God does not always grant repentance (2 Timothy 2:25; Hebrews 12:17). Judas Iscariot was doomed to destruction so scripture would be fulfilled (John 17:12). While man makes his plans, God directs his steps (Proverbs 16:9).

      We have the free will God affords us – you can not choose to live by breathing water or space vacuum. You are limited to the choices God has provided. More, God works in people to ensure His choice is the choice you make, so you desire and do FOR God’s good pleasure (Philippians 2:13)

  4. Basically thise verses from Jeremiah the thing about ‘nor entering My mind’ is basically saying that YHWH had neither commanded the Israelites in physical speech or thought to do the things they did.

    This in no way means that YHWH did not know that they would engage in those things. Just that with the entirety of His being He never commanded them to do such things. They were in total disobedience.

    Ultimately through your ‘free will’ you will fulfill what you were pre ordained to do. But nothing happens unless something happens. From a limited perspective in which our minds typically dwell we have free will, but on the grand scale in the mind of God everything is playing out according to plan.

    To think the God who revealed all the prophecy of future events, and knows when even a little sparrow dies and how many hairs on our head would be totally bamboozled by stubborn Israelites is a rather silly thought to entertain.

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