Acts 15

Day 15, Acts 15.

This chapter begins with Jewish believers who are trying to make the Gentile believers in Antioch be baptized and follow the Law to be saved. To address this, the church at Antioch sent Paul and Barnabas and some other believers to go to the apostles and elders of the church at Jerusalem in order to determine which was correct. This is most likely the same trip that Paul wrote of in Galatians 2:1-10.

Along the way to Jerusalem, they shared what God had been doing among the Gentiles. The believers were encouraged to hear how God had been saving the Gentiles.

In response to the question of whether the Gentile believers needed to be circumcised and follow the Law that had been given to the Jews….

The apostles and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

James stood up and said,

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

And that is exactly what the church was told:

23 With them they sent the following letter:

The apostles and elders, your brothers,

To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul—26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell.

This was quite an encouragement to the Gentile believers. Paul and Barnabas stayed in Antioch teaching and preaching the word of the Lord.

This chapter ends with a disagreement between Paul and Barnabas. This shows that even men who love God and are obedient to God can disagree and that sometimes God splits up a ministry team. These men did indeed split up and go their separate ways – both of them continuing in ministry, just in different places.

Do you have disagreements with other Christians? Make sure you are kind and loving and not trying to get vengeance. But be patient, kind, loving, forgiving and merciful. Then follow with what you know God wants you to do. Sometimes good people disagree, and its ok.

 

 

 

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13 Responses

  1. Hello. I enjoy reading your discussions of the Bible.

    I suspect that you believe Acts 15 provides evidence that Christians no longer need to obey the Mosaic tithing, dietary, festival, and certain other laws. Of course, the Levitical priesthood, circumcision, and sacrifice laws have definitely been abolished as almost “spelled out” in the Bible.

    Could you tell me exactly which verses in Acts 15 indicate we no longer need to follow the, for example, dietary laws?

  2. First, I want to tell you that I really liked your commentary about the Biblical condemnation of joking at the expense of someone else’s dignity. For many years I have attended Saturday church services, and occasionally the minister will tell a joke about another minister which usually was really very funny. You could, though, almost always, it seems, detect a slight but real trace of genuine sarcasm or even hostility in many of those jokes.

    Your discussion about parables and not everyone being called or saved by the Lord in this present age was really good, too. That is a hot topic many mainstream churches avoid, but your literal acceptance of those pertinent verses I like.

    Since explaining why I think the Bible shows many Mosaic laws are still in force for present day Christians, would be too lengthy in one comment, I just want to “zero in” on what you said about the book of Acts and offer what I think is the best and only reasonable interpretation of Acts 15:19,20,28,29 according to the following:

    Acts 15:19,20,28,29: “Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. ……. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality …….”

    When the book of Acts was written the dominant Greek and Roman cultures at that time were centered around idol worship and even had many local pagan temples. Christian Gentiles assembled, literally with the sizable Jewish community, in the synagogues each Saturday. Bibles were extremely expensive at the time since Scrolls were hand written, and very few people had them except the very rich. Synagogue services were the only opportunity most Gentile Christians had to hear the Scriptures and learn Christianity since new Christian congregations had not yet been established in many areas. The Jews welcomed the new people, but they needed to be assured that the Gentiles had genuinely forsaken any form of idolatry. The apostles therefore required the Gentile believers, to get along with the Jews, to accept certain rules (generally man made rules or customs that were not necessarily always required for salvation) showing that they had rejected idolatrous practices: 1) they should not become involved in any ritual involving animal strangulation, 2) they should not participate in any ceremony misusing blood in sacrifices, 3) they should not become involved in any meal associated with idol worship, and 4) they should completely avoid any contact or dealings with temple prostitutes. Verse 21: “For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.” This last verse shows that the apostles were motivated to help make the Jews accept the new Christian converts into the synagogues to regularly hear and learn what Moses was recorded to have said. If Acts 15:20,29 is a complete, exhaustive list of laws for Christians to obey, we can now murder, cheat, lie, remove property landmarks, commit bribery, abuse the name of the Lord, work on the Sabbath, eat an animal torn by a wild animal, consult wizards, eat trichinosis infected pork and other toxic, scavenger meat, forget about tithing which often saves the helpless hungry from starving to death, curse their parents, covet, divorce for frivolous reasons and marry someone else, look at women adulterously, etc. which of course is a ridiculous conclusion. Acts 15:20,29 therefore does not even remotely begin to prove that the Mosaic laws have been nullified.

    Also, don’t you think there is a possibility you made a mistake about Genesis 9:3 showing, supposedly, that the dietary laws are now nullified? Genesis 9:3: “Everything that lives and moves shall be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants …..” The Hebrew for “everything,” kowl or kal, Strong’s 3605, has 2 definitions. The second definition involves everything “in a given unit whose members have been selected from others of their kind” according to Strong. In other words, the Hebrew for “everything” does not necessarily mean everything literally, in an absolute sense. Your use of the verse also conflicts with Genesis 7:1,2,8 and 8:20 in which both God and Noah recognized that some animals were unclean, or highly forbidden to eat. In addition, the words “Just as I give you the green plants” in verse 9:3 shows that animals were available to eat in the very same way that plants were made available to eat: selectively. Eating some plants and/or their fruits will kill you. You cannot eat all varieties of plants. Therefore, as with plants, logically, and certainly from hard experience, not all animals can be eaten. Some South American brightly colored “dart frogs” will kill you and 9 other men soon if you eat that frog and share it with 9 others. Even boiling the frog will not neutralize its skin poison.

    Concerning Galatians 5:18, don’t you think the following analysis of that verse is the more realistic interpretation?

    Galatians 5:18: “But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.” (The only logical interpretation possible, to be consistent with over 100+ pro-Mosaic law verses in the New Testament, is that this means not under the penalty part of the law, with the obedience part still intact.) “Under the law” can just as easily be translated as “of the law.” Even most 17 year old teenagers could probably tell you that this verse, turned around, readily proves that the law has not been abolished if you are not led by the Holy Spirit. That would mean that you are under the law, the entire law (both obedience and the penalty parts) if you are not led by the Holy Spirit or do not have it. The acquisition of the Holy Spirit, however, is only by obedience to the law according to Acts 2:38 and 5:32. Repentance in Acts 2:38 involves sincerely stopping sinning, which can only come about by obeying the law. 1 John 3:4 defines sin as breaking the Mosaic law, or the laws that include the Mosaic laws. Romans 8:2 further explains about “not being under the law.” According to that verse we are now no longer under the law of sin and death, death being the penalty part of the law.

    The reason I keep bringing up this issue of law keeping is that in your commentaries you continue to ignore many dozens of New Testament verses supporting and even commanding Mosaic law keeping, and many of your anti-law verses you use are misinterpreted because of mistakes in context and/or Greek word definitions.

    I and many, many others, though not the majority, believe Christians not only should, but must still follow certain Mosaic laws since there is more Biblical evidence for it than not.

    • Hi Wolfgang.

      I appreciate the kind words.

      I have looked and looked at whether Christians should follow the Law or whether we are free from the Law. I think scripture is quite clear that we are free from the Law – this is what Paul says.

      As I have said, I have already discussed this before:
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/grace-law-and-the-christian/
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/christians-and-the-law/
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/should-believers-in-christ-to-be-circumcised/
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/either-hebrews-does-not-apply-to-jewish-believers-or-the-law-was-set-aside-for-all-believers/
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2009/02/14/what-do-abolish-and-fulfill-mean-in-matthew-5-13-20/

      I have dealt with lawlessness in https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2011/12/07/another-look-at-the-will-of-god-rebellion-lawlessness-and-faith/
      and
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/has-the-mosaic-law-been-abolished/#comment-15252
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/has-the-mosaic-law-been-abolished/#comment-14689
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/why-dont-most-christians-follow-the-mosaic-law/#comment-18080

      I have dealt with your objection to my use of Genesis 9 and whether the 4 prohibitions mentioned in acts 15 for gentile believers are a starting point in this blog entry:
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/should-christians-keep-the-jewish-dietary-laws/

      I think its quite clear that before faith in Christ came, the law was intended to lead us to Christ. But once we become a Christian, we are no longer under the tutelage of the law.

      16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

      19 Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. 20 Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one. 21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

      23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

      You seem to believe that we must follow the Law, but if we are Christ’s, God will lead us to live righteously as HE will write His law on our hearts. If we are trying to live by rules, then we dont have the Holy Spirit leading us, but are trying to be saved by our own efforts. IF we have the Holy SPirit in us, we will live according to how God wants us to live. This is NOT saying we are free to sin, but we have the Law of the Spirit, rather than the Mosaic Law.

      Christ came to do God the Father’s will. He did so, and in doing so, he set aside the has made us HOLY forever.

      9Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. 13Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, 14because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

      Believers have been sanctified by Christ’s sacrifice. He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. Where there is forgiveness, there is no longer any offering for sin.

      Hebrews 10:10-18

      10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

      11 Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time onward until His enemies be made a footstool for His feet. 14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. 15 And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying,

      16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
      After those days, says the Lord:
      I will put My laws upon their heart,
      And on their mind I will write them,”
      He then says,

      17 “And their sins and their lawless deeds
      I will remember no more.”
      18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.

      The written code was cancelled, according to Paul, so we should not worry about someone judging us for what we eat or whether we follow a given festival or not.
      Colossians 2:13-16

      13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

      Ephesians 2:13-16

      13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.

      Romans 7:6

      6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

      God has said He will put His laws in our minds and write them on our hearts.
      Hebrews 8:10-13

      10 This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 11No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.” 13By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

      Its quite clear that the Gentiles were NOT told to follow the Law.

      Acts 21:20-25

      20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 “What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 “Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law. 25 “But concerning the Gentiles who have believed, we wrote, having decided that they should abstain from meat sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.”

      Each of the four prohibitions were elements of pagan religions. I think that is why they gentile believers were told to stay away from them, in part because the Hebrews would not understand. But there were places where there WERE no synagogues, and gentiles were coming to Christ – so your idea that they were to learn about the mosaic law from there falls flat. Certainly the idea also falls flat because the gentile believers were not told to grow in their knowledge and obedience of the mosaic law. In fact, it was most explicitly NOT mentioned in both Acts 15 and Acts 22.

      I think you are confusing the Mosaic Law with the Law of the Spirit – the latter is what Christians are to follow.
      Romans 7:6

      But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

      But this does not mean we are free to sin, but that we are led by the Holy Spirit.
      Romans 8:2-5

      2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

      Romans 8:13-15

      13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!”

      Why is it that Paul saying he was not under the Law not enough for you to not be under the Law?
      Galatians 5:1, speaking about following the Law:

      1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

      1 Corinthians 9:20

      To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are underthe Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law;

      So no, I do not think we are required to follow the Law. And as I have addressed before, I do not think we are supposed to murder or do other things God has said to not do. But there is a difference between following the Law and being led by the Holy Spirit. If you are led by the Holy Spirit, you will live according to the spirit and not sin.

      But lets pretend you have convinced me… Which laws do you think the Christian should follow?

  3. Thank you for humbly wanting to know which laws we need to obey, even if your curiosity is only imagined or “make believe.”

    First though, since you did not refute anything I said about Galatians 5:18, I will accept your silence on that verse as a concession that Galatians 5:18 cannot conclusively be used to support your idea that certain Mosaic laws are no longer in force for Christians.

    Numerous verses in the New Testament tell us to obey the commandments, referring to the 10 Commandments. One of the commandments is to rest on the Saturday Sabbath. That is one of the Mosaic laws, like it or not, believe it or not, take it or leave it, that is what it says. So that is a law still in force. Isaiah prophesied that the entire world will some day rest on every Saturday. In a previous response to what Isaiah said, I think you said that Isaiah in Isaiah 56:6,7, 66:22,23 was only speaking “poetically.” I think it is only reasonable to assume that the verses can be taken literally, which are more evidence the Sabbath is still valid.

    Another Mosaic law still in force is the prohibition of eating “unclean” foods. Logically and humanely, God would have removed the harmful medical consequences of eating them if He abolished or allowed the food laws to be abolished. They are just as harmful as ever, though, long verified by medical science. Armadillos, a forbidden food, are now known to be major carriers of leprosy. Ingesting forbidden shellfish continues to occasionally paralyze people around the world. It is knowledge and the day to day practical application of the Mosaic laws that will save and prolong human life, not the “Law of the Spirit” or the “law of Christ” by themselves, minus knowledge of the food laws. Isaiah also prophesied the food laws would be enforced in the future. I think you also dismissed Isaiah’s prophesy about that, too, calling it a “poetical” exercise, or something similar. I do not think the prophet’s words can be laughed at.

    Two more major laws still in force are tithing and the festivals. Mathew 23:23 and and Luke 11:42 are indirect commands to tithe, which are just as good as direct commands since they are from Jesus Himself. Yes, I know, the festivals may sound really weird in this modern day and age. You need a church with like minded brethren to help you observe those special days to make them seem real. Paul kept the holy days, and he told us to “mimic him” in several verses.

    ACTS 24:12,14: “And they neither found me in the temple disputing with anyone nor inciting the crowd, either in the synagogues or in the city. 14 ….. according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, BELIEVING ALL THINGS which are WRITTEN IN THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS. No, your eyes did not just lie to you. Yes, it really is true that Paul literally believed and obeyed what the Old Testament taught, and he also instructed the Corinthian Christians to obey the MOSAIC LAWS, too (1 Corinthians 4:6: “…… imitate me.” 1 Corinthians 11:1: “Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.”).

    ROMANS 2:10-13: “But God will give glory, honor, and peace to all who do what is good, to the Jews first and also to the Gentiles. 11 For God JUDGES EVERYONE BY THE SAME STANDARD. 12 The Gentiles do not have the law of Moses; they sin and are lost apart from the Law. The Jews have the Law; they sin and are judged by the Law. 13 For it is not by hearing the Law that people are put right with God, but by DOING WHAT THE LAW COMMANDS. — Good News Translation

    Paul in verse 11 explains that ultimately all people around the world will be judged by the same law of God, the MOSAIC LAW.

    You quote some verses saying that we are “no longer under the law,” “released from it,” etc. Has it ever occurred to you that those verses could be referring to only, repeat, only part of the law? That we are no longer under the entire law with its often mandatory death sentence for some offenses, regardless of whether or nor we had repented of those offenses? The part of the law we are no longer under is the penalty part, with the obedience part remaining intact, assuming we are obeying the law in the first place, though. With that interpretation, the entire New and Old Testament then finally become harmonious and consistent, as God’s words to us should of course be.You cannot take some verses literally all the time. Most of the time, yes, but not all the time. Example: “All Israel shall be saved.” That cannot be taken super literally because in any large group involving millions of people there will be some murderers, thieves, liars, etc. who will not be saved. The verse probably refers to all 12 tribes of Israel that, as a whole, will be saved. Likewise, not all abbreviated verses about the law can be taken super literally, especially when they massively conflict with a large number of other verses plainly, clearly, and specifically telling us to obey Old Testament laws.

    “The law of Christ:” Wickipedia.org, the online encyclopedia, basically defines this phrase as one whose meaning is not certain. The phrase is found in Galatians 6:2 translated mostly as “the law of Christ.” “The law of Christ” is also found in some translations of 1 Corinthians 9:21. Most other online translations render 1 Corinthians 9:21 differently, such as “under the law to Christ,” “subject to law to Christ,” “legally Christ’s,” “legitimately subject to Christ,” “lawfully subject to Christ,” “within law to Christ,” subject to the law to Christ,” “subject to the Messiah’s law,” and “with law to Christ,” etc. Galatians 6:2: “Bear the burdens of one another and thus fulfill the torah of the Messiah.” — exeGeses Companion Bible

    The Greek for “torah” in Galatians 6:2 is nomos, Strong’s 3551, which generally refers to the Mosaic laws. Everything that Jesus taught would reasonably and logically be the “law of Christ.” Mainstream Christians, however, incorrectly believe that “the law of Christ” exempts Christians from obeying God’s laws, which would include many Mosaic laws. When asked to point out a verse in which Jesus indicated the Mosaic laws no longer need to be observed, they cannot find such a verse. Jesus and the Apostles did obey many Mosaic laws according to numerous verses. In Matthew 5 Jesus even magnified the law in His Sermon on the Mount.

    You said in one or more commentaries that Romans 3:31 and 6:15 do not refer to the Mosaic laws, but rather to the “Law of Christ.” Take it or leave it, the Bible plainly is referring to the Mosaic law.

    In one commentary you misinterpreted Colossians 2:14, trying to use it as evidence some Mosaic laws are not in force anymore. To not make this comment of mine too long, at this time I will skip discussing that verse.

    You seem like a really nice, courteous Christian, so I hate to disagree with you about the law and essentially hurt your feelings, you might say. So I apologize for that unpleasant part, but if you are really wrong about something, and it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that I am probably right, maybe you will understand it and later favorably appreciate it.

    2 PETER 3:17: “Dear friends …… So be on your guard. Then you won’t be led down the wrong path by the mistakes of PEOPLE WHO DON’T OBEY THE LAW. You won’t fall from your safe position.” — New International Reader’s Version

    • Thank you for being clear about which laws you think are still in force for a Christian.

      Please do NOT think I agree with you just because I did not address any particular point in what I write. I DID write about Galatians 5:18 in these comments:
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2013/02/15/acts-15/#comment-24718
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/why-dont-most-christians-follow-the-mosaic-law/#comment-18212
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/why-dont-most-christians-follow-the-mosaic-law/#comment-18080

      I have discussed it here:
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/what-is-meant-by-keeping-gods-commands-is-what-counts-in-1-corinthians-7/
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/either-hebrews-does-not-apply-to-jewish-believers-or-the-law-was-set-aside-for-all-believers/

      I AM REALLY REALLY getting tired of dealing with this subject with you. I have been doing it for a very long time now. I have refuted you when you say we need to follow the Mosaic Law, the festivals, the dietary restrictions, etc.

      I am not going to keep refuting you, because you just keep coming back to the same things and ignoring the plain scripture which states we are free from the Law.

      I think that we see plenty of evidence that the moral laws found in the Law are things we should do or not do (as appropriate) in the New Testament – but these are examples of what someone who is changed by the spirit of God will avoid – not laws to follow. We are freed from the Law. We have discussed the Law of faith and of the Spirit ad naseum. I’m tired of this repeated discussion.

      Its more important to have a mind transformed by the Holy Spirit. If we have that, then we will have God’s laws written on our hearts. Otherwise, we are simply trying to follow a set of rules and do not have Christ living in us and do not have eternal life.

      If you are going to follow the Law, then follow the whole law: Galatians 5:1-14.
      Galatians 5:3

      And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.

      James 2:10

      For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

      You can not keep the whole law, so stop trying to follow it.

      We have been released from the Law – Romans 7:6.
      Paul called the Law a yoke of slavery (Galatians 5).
      Its not just one law or a part of the law we are freed from – but the whole law.

      Galatians 3:23-25

      23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

      Galatians 5:18

      18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

      Romans 7:4-6

      4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

      Romans 8:2-3

      2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,

      Colossians 2:13-14

      13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

      Ephesians 2:14-16

      14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.

      Go through the posts found here to see my position on Christians following the Law:
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/grace-law-and-the-christian/

      Stop writing me to try to convince me when it should be obvious by now that you will not succeed. I have no hope of freeing you from your yoke of slavery, but I just pray God opens your eyes to see the truth about following the Law.

      • There are some who would say this: “You might be saved by faith, but you keep your place in the Kingdom by following torah. You can lose your salvation if you become wilfully disobedient.”

        To them, I would say that you have no idea what it means to be saved by grace through faith, to be freed from the Law.

        I suggest you read this blog: http://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordpress.com/

  4. And no, I dont think I am mistaken with regards to all animals and plants being given to us to eat. Those are the words that were used. I can see you choose to limit it arbitrarily, which no such limitation is in the context. *shrug* that is your choice.

    There are plants that we commonly eat today which can kill you – if you eat the wrong part or too much of certain parts, or if not properly prepared:
    Mushrooms, Elderberry, Castor (oil), Almonds, Cherries, plums, apricots, and peaches, Apples, Rhubarb, Tomatoes, Potatoes, nutmeg, Yuca, Cashews, Chilies, Sassafras, Absinthe
    http://listverse.com/2009/01/06/top-10-poisonous-foods-we-love-to-eat/
    http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-toxic-foods-we-love-to-eat.php#!/exjun_
    http://www.weirdworm.com/6-poisonous-foods-we-still-eat

    The same is true of animals, the Pufferfish is commonly prepared to allow people to eat it. There may be other animals where this is the case.

    But my point is, God said we can eat all plants and while some are thought to be harmful, we have found ways to eat some of them, and perhaps there are others that can be prepared or eaten in a special way or time which would make them edible.

  5. Your speaking out against same sex marriage, the monstrous, highly destructive lie of macro-evolutionism, and reminding baptized Christians that if their sins are serious enough they can lose their salvation, and explaining many other Biblical truths is highly appreciated by me and many others, so keep up the good work. This slowly self destructing world needs more people like you, Wbmoore.

    Returning to our polite disagreement about mandatory law keeping, you have not recently given your interpretation of Isaiah 56:6,7, 66:17,22,23 and Zechariah 14:16-19, which many people, including myself, believe helps corroborate the continuing necessity of Christians to observe certain Old Testament laws such as the dietary, Saturday Sabbath, and Feast of Tabernacles laws. I asked for your interpretation in my last comment, but you did not provide it. So how do you explain those plain, blunt verses that refer to the future, a time which has not yet occurred?

    Also, you have used Colossians 2:13,14 as evidence that many Mosaic laws have been done away with. A really close analysis of those verses, though, indicate the chances are well below 50% that you are correctly interpreting them. The following is the best way to explain Colossians 2:13,14 that your readers should be made aware of, to be fair to them.

    COLOSSIANS 2:13,14: “And you, being dead in your trespasses and the un-circumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.” — New King James Version

    In the NKJV the original Greek word for “handwriting” is cheirographon, Strong’s number 5498, which refers to something “hand-written” such as a manuscript or document. Timothy Friberg, noted and well respected editor/author of Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament does not believe cheirographon in verse 13 refers to the law itself. He thinks it refers to our violations, our transgressions of the law. The Greek word for “requirements” is dogma, Strong’s 1378, which can mean “opinion” or “judgment.” Dogma is actually a relatively rare word in the Bible appearing only a total of 5 times. Dogma in the New Testament never clearly refers to the Mosaic laws as a whole. Dogma refers overwhelmingly to something man made.

    The major topic, the context, in verse 13 is trespasses in which the word is used twice. Trespasses are sins, violations of the law. Trespasses are not the law itself. Verse 13 reveals the context or subject matter of the next verse, verse 14, which is the record of our past sins, our trespasses, NOT THE MOSAIC LAWS.

    From the following 7 different translations of Colossians 2:13,14 you can see that it was our sins, our violations of God’s written laws that were “nailed to the cross,” NOT any kind of laws.

    “When you were stuck in your old sin-dead life, you were incapable of responding to God. God brought you alive–right along with Christ! Think of it! All sins forgiven, 14 the slate wiped clean, that old arrest warrant canceled and nailed to Christ’s cross.” — The Message

    “You were once dead because of your failures and your un-circumcised corrupt nature. But God made you alive with Christ when he forgave all our failures. 14 He did this by erasing the charges that were brought against us by the written laws God had established. He took the charges away by nailing them to the cross.” — God’s Word Translation

    “When you were dead in your sins and in the un-circumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.” — Today’s New International Version

    “……. You, who were spiritually dead because of your sins ……. He has forgiven you all your sins: Christ has utterly wiped out the damning evidence of broken laws and commandments which always hung over our heads, and has completely annulled it by nailing it …… on the cross …… 14 …… you were …… set free from the sins of the flesh …… Christ has utterly wiped out the damning evidence of broken laws and commandments …… by nailing it over his own head on the cross.” — J. B. Phillips New Testament

    “You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away …… He forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record that contained the charges against us. He took it and destroyed it by nailing it to Christ’s cross.” — The New Living Translation

    “You were dead, because you were sinful …… But God forgave all our sins. 14 God wiped out the charges that were against us for disobeying the Law of Moses. He took them away and nailed them to the cross.” — Contemporary English Version

    “You were dead, because you were sinners ……. he has forgiven us all our sins.14 He has overriden the Law, and canceled every record of the debt that we had to pay; he has done away with it by nailing it to the cross.” — Jerusalem Bible

    Summing up Colossians 2:13,14 again, it was our SINS, AND SINS (TRANSGRESSIONS OR VIOLATIONS) ONLY, AGAINST the Mosaic and other laws that was “nailed to the cross” and therefore done away with, NOT ANY LAW ITSELF, NONE WHATSOEVER.

    JUDE 1:4: “…… some people …… are SHAMELESS SCOUNDRELS. Their design is to replace the sheer GRACE of our God with sheer LICENSE ……” — The Message

    Some excellent sites for further study include http://www.ucg.org/christian-living/blotted-out-and-nailed-cross/ and http://www.ucg.org/booklet/new-covenant-does-it-abolish-gods-law/peace-and-unity-christ/what-was-wiped-out-jesus-christ/.

  6. Grammatical corrections:

    “A really close analysis of those verses, though, indicate(s) the chances are well below 50% …..”

    “Summing up ….. it was our SINS ….. that (were) “nailed to the cross” …..”

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