Chosen…

Many times I have heard or read where people are adamant they chose Christ. They protest that they made the decision to follow Christ, that if they had not made such a decision, then God could not have saved them. Some say they ALLOWED God to save them. Then they claim its not an egotistical idea to say they chose to be saved, but it is some how egotistical to say that God chose to save them.

When people say they chose Christ, I think of John 15:16

16 You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.

Some might complain, “Context. Jesus is speaking to His disciples, the men He physically chose in person while He was here on earth in His pre-glorified body.”

And I would agree. He was speaking to the men who chose to follow Christ – yet he is reminding them that HE chose them. This is no different than you and I choosing to follow Christ. We made a decision to do so. Yet, Christ chose us first.

God chooses who will be saved, and hardens the rest.

Romans 11:2-7

God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? “Lord, they have killed Your prophets, they have torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they are seeking my life.” But what is the divine response to him? “I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;

Indeed, God chose us before the foundation of the universe (which is the first meaning “kosmos”, which is often translated as ‘world’ and often taken to mean all people every where and ever when). We were predestined to be adopted as sons through Jesus Christ. We see this repeatedly in Scripture.

Ephesians 1:3-5

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14

13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. 14 It was for this He called you through our gospel, that you may gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Some want to argue that there is a difference between God ordaining (or pre-ordaining, or predestining) something and something being destiny because God knows what someone’s choice will be.

Yet, God tells us our salvation depends NOT on what we want or do, but on GOD. God has mercy upon whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

Romans 9:15-18

15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” 18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

Soooo many people call that heresy – yet it is what God said, so it can not be heresy.

Soooo many people say the God they follow would never do that. They claim that because God is love, and they do not see that as loving, then it can not happen. Yet, it is in scripture. So if the God they follow would never do that, perhaps they need to reevaluate whether they are following the God of the Bible, or a god of man’s own construct….

People want to argue that if that were the case, then how could they be held liable for their own sins, since God made them that way and no one can resist God’s will? Paul addressed this in Romans 9:19-23. It upsets some people to think that God may have made some people to be saved, and others not to be saved. Yet, this is exactly what scripture says. And Paul says the clay, the things formed, the creature, has no right to complain to the creator about it.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? 21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? 22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.

 

And then there are those who say God chose them because He saw that they would choose Him first. But this goes against scripture.

Romans 9:16
So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
In fact, God says He predestined those whom He foreknew to be chosen because He knew us – not because of what we would do or choose. The idea of foreknow here does not say God knew what they would do, but that He knew THEM beforehand.
Romans 8:28-30
28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
Some would still argue that God knew they would choose Him, but that is not what scripture tells us. We are told people who do not believe are appointed to doom.
1 Peter 2:6-8

For this is contained in Scripture:

Behold, I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone,
And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”

This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve,

The stone which the builders rejected,
This became the very corner stone,”

and,

“A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense”;

for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.

 

Some would complain that is for people who have not chosen God. But notice something – it was appointed that they disobey and stumble. Not that they stumbled and then were appointed to the doom – but the appointment came first.

Some would say they have the right to choose and God cannot and will not cause them to choose Christ.

Others would say that everyone will be saved. But Jesus said ALL that the Fathers gives Him WILL COME TO HIM. Yet, we see Jesus speaking to some who disbelieve, and so were obviously not given to Christ. So there will be some who will not be given to Christ, otherwise they would come t Christ.

John 6:35-40

35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

There are some who say they can come to Christ without God working on them – but this is not what Christ said – NO ONE CAN COME TO CHRIST unless God draws him.

John 6:44

44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

EVERYONE who has heard and learned from God comes to Christ.

John 6:45

45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.

EVERYONE who has heard and learned from God comes to Christ. So that means that if someone does not choose Christ, they have either not heard or not learned from God.

In fact, Jesus reiterated that no one can come to Him unless God gives permission.

John 6:63-65

 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. 65 And He was saying, For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”

Still, there are those who say they must choose God before they can be saved. I say God has to gift faith and grant repentance and work in them to desire to be saved. And if God does that in you, then you will not refuse to be saved.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God
Jesus grants repentance and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 5:31

31 He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 11:18-19

17 Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” 18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”

2 Timothy 2:24-26

24 The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

Indeed, according to 2 Timothy 2:26 , those who are in opposition to God, who do not choose God, are snared by the devil, captive to do his will.

But if you believe, it is because it is God at work in you to desire and to do for His good pleasure.

Philippians 2:13

13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

 So yes, those whom God foreknew, He predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son. Those He predestined, He also called. Those whom He called, He justified. Those whom He justified, He glorified.

If you still believe you chose God without Him first working in you to desire to choose Him as if you were able to prevent God from saving you, please remember that you were dead in trespass and sin – what dead man do you know can do things and make choices? dead men lie there and have things done to them.

Ephesians 2:1-10

1And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

GOD made you alive in Christ – because of His great love with which He loved us – NOT because He knew we would choose Him.

Almost all of us remember making a choice for Christ. But that choice is something God worked in us to ensure we would make. We have a human responsibility, but it was a foregone conclusion. Yes, from our perspective, we choose God. But from God’s perspective, God did it – from start to finish. Before time began, God chose people to be saved (Romans 8:28-29) and gave them to Jesus (John 6:37-40). God worked in those He chose (Philippians 2:13). Only those God gives to Christ can come to Christ (John 6:65), and all those who God gives to Christ will come to Christ (John 6:44-45). God grants repentance (Acts 5:31, 11:17-19; 2 Timothy 2:24-25). Jesus is the author of our salvation (Hebrews 2:10). Jesus is the author and perfecter of faith (Hebrews 12:2). God gifts faith (Ephesians 2:8-9). God raised us from the dead while we were still dead in our trespasses (Ephesians 2:5).

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 Responses

  1. Yes, I agree with you that the Christians that will appear in the first resurrection will only be those specifically “called” who also responded positively to that divine calling. What about those that were not called by the Lord to obey and worship Him? You offer no hope for them to be saved to live eternally in the wonderful kingdom of God. A verse somewhere in the Bible says that it is God’s will that EVERYONE be saved, and that He does not take pleasure in losing evil people or people who prefer not to worship Him that had the potential to be saved.

    God is a god of love as shown by the merciful, physical SECOND RESURRECTION as explained by going to http://www.freebiblestudyguides.org/bible-teachings/prophecy-second-resurrection-humanity-opportunity-salvation.htm.

    People who have been deceived or who had never even heard of the Bible will be resurrected after the soon coming one thousand year Christian millennium and have a type of “second chance” to be saved. During that Christian millennium Jesus will FOR A THOUSAND LONG YEARS teach, preach, and answer all kinds of religious questions. The people resurrected in the second resurrection, mentioned indirectly in Revelation 20:1-7, will understand precisely what is involved in salvation and what is required of them to be saved since they will have the preceding 1,000 years of Jesus’ preaching to study. Even while the people of the second resurrection are living out their lives on the earth, Jesus will still be on the earth teaching, preaching and answering questions.

    So there is great, great hope for ALL who want to be saved, assuming they want to worship and obey their Creator.

    • Wolfgang,

      sigh… yet more confusion from you…

      My purpose is not to offer hope to people who refuse to accept Christ. My purpose is to tell people the truth and let them fear NOT accepting Christ. God knows how to rescue the godly. God will judge the ungodly and punish them.
      2 Peter 2:9-10 tells us

      9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority.

      God will keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of Judgment. This does not sound as if they have another chance after death to choose Christ.

      Yes, God desires everyone to be saved – but this is a nice to have, not something God will cause to happen.
      We see in John 6:35-40
      John 6:35-40

      35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”

      I have written before on the will of God:
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/the-will-of-god/
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2011/12/07/another-look-at-the-will-of-god-rebellion-lawlessness-and-faith/

      Not every one will be saved:
      https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2013/01/16/not-everyone-will-be-saved/

      Scripture is clear that not everyone will be saved – and not even all who want to enter will be able to enter.
      Matthew 7:21-23

      21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

      Everything is on GOD’s terms! Not ours.

      No one knows who God will save, other than God Himself. God confounds the wise and enlightens others. Only those God chooses will be saved.
      Matthew 11:25-30

      25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. 26 Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. 27 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

      28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

      Obviously, some are NOT called to be saved, or Christ would not be a stumbling block to them.
      1 Corinthians 1:23-24

      23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, 24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

      In fact, enemies of the cross of Christ are destined to destruction.
      Philippians 3:18-20

      18 For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things. 20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,

      For more, see: https://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/are-some-destined-to-destruction/

      Jesus was clear that not everyone will enter the kingdom of heaven – only those who do the will (Thelema) of God.
      Matthew 7:21

      21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

      So then the question comes up, ‘Will only a few be saved?’ Jesus was asked this question, and said yes.

      Luke 13:22-24

      22 Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem. 23 Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?” He said to them, 24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.

      But is it possible to come to Christ after you have rejected Him? According to the Bible, if you have truly been enlightened, have shared in the Holy Spirit and fallen away, then no.
      Hebrews 6:4-6

      4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

      Hebrews 10:26-29

      26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

      Personally, I doubt that meant they were saved – as those who are with Christ never leave Christ. These people learned truth but rejected it. They had knowledge, but not faith. Those who reject Christ were never saved to begin with.
      1 John 2:18-24

      18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. 20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

      But we need to recognize that when we die, we face judgment – not another choice.
      Hebrews 9:27-28

      27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

      Some want to say there is a choice after death, but Paul said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
      2 Corinthians 5:6-10

      6 Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord— 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight— 8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord. 9 Therefore we also have as our ambition, whether at home or absent, to be pleasing to Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

      Philippians 1:23

      23 But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better;

      In fact, we see a picture of the judgement in Matthew 25:31-46

      31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

      34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38 And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’

      41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ 44 Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

      You are mistaken to believe that people who have not heard of the Bible will be resurrected to a thousand year reign of Christ. Scripture tells us that EVERYONE has heard.
      Romans 10:12-18

      12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

      14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? 15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news of good things!”

      16 However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

      18 But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have;
      “Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
      And their words to the ends of the world.”

      Rather than a resurrection to the millennia kingdom to be able to learn and choose Christ, Scripture is clear there will be some resurrected to life and others resurrected to death:
      John 5:25-29

      25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; 27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

      In fact, Paul is quite clear that suffering today for our faith is an indication of God’s righteous judgment so that we will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God. More than that, the Lord Jesus Christ and His angels will deal “out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.”

      1 Thessalonians 1:3-10

      3 We ought always to give thanks to God for you, brethren, as is only fitting, because your faith is greatly enlarged, and the love of each one of you toward one another grows ever greater; 4 therefore, we ourselves speak proudly of you among the churches of God for your perseverance and faith in the midst of all your persecutions and afflictions which you endure. 5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.

      We have already seen in Hebrews 9:27 that “it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment.”

      So no. People do not get to choose Christ after death. People face judgment after death.

      The hope is that they have heard from God. The hope is that perhaps God has worked in them to choose Him now – they simply have to choose Him. The hope is that God so loved His creation that He gave His only begotten Son to suffer and die to pay the penalty of their sin so who ever believes might not die but have eternal life.

  2. Mr. Moore, could you briefly tell me if human babies who died several days or weeks after birth, and severely mentally retarded people who died of old age who were never able to understand language or sin or right from wrong, will be saved, and if saved, when? If they will not be saved to enter into eternal life in God’s kingdom, don’t you think that is very unfair? Do you really believe God would allow those totally helpless people to be lost forever?

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